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Yeah she ain't gonna drown that's for sure...

I have spent my whole adult life helping people, before I moved to Tennessee I was a full-time Police Officer and a volunteer Firefighter and EMT. Now I'm just a LEO Desk Jockey looking forward to retirement. I guess I really don't know how to do anything but be a good person. I know what a bad person looks like and acts like, but my first reaction is a bit predatory in nature, to hunt them down and capture them. My lack of faith has nothing to do with me being a good person. my programing as a human being is what compels me to be good person. My father was a cop, my grandfather was a cop and my great-grandfather was an elected Sheriff in the county I was born.

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I lost my faith along time ago.

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sad...

Let me relate to you guys a story of an actual case I worked when I was an Internal Affairs Investigator for a very large agency located in another not too far away state, no very long ago. It involved problems with anonymous tips. It seemed some of our local uniforms loved making dope cases and in the area they patrolled it was more or less easy, dope was quite plentiful. Our uniforms would roam around the street looking for known dealers mobile in their vehicles. They would then use their personal cells to call other off duty officers who would use pre paid phones to drop an anonymous call to the non recorded, non emergency line to our dispatch. They would report vehicle as suspicious, give a good description of not only the car but the occupants and our dispatch would dutifully relay the info to area zone patrol. Soon as the lookout hit the bolo box on our PDT's... BAM the officers would pull the vehicle over as a suspicious vehicle then immediately launch into an interdiction stop, which is what the courts call a pre textual stop and its a no no. The officer had no real reasonable suspicion to stop the car, the foundation of the stop was based upon an anonymous tip and was more or less handled in the court system the same way a Confidential Informant would be handled. If the officers found dope, which they usually did, the courts looked upon the tip as being a good tip, from a credible, yet unknown source who reported suspicious activity that officers acted on and the results of the detention was contraband and arrest. Think something like this ruling can't be used in a bad way against all of you... you better think again.

Which means more to you, Moving to protect all of our rights and as a byproduct allowing some criminals to escape prosecution. Or going after all criminals for all crimes and thereby violating some of our civil rights in the process?

Well it looks like Tennessee has got it wrong again (imagine that) I wish the USSC had of heard this case and upheld the lower court so this type of stuff would be nipped at the bud nation wide.

So now it comes to this, reasonable suspicion has been reduced to an anonymous tip in the state of Tennessee. Anyone else see the possibility for abuse, abuse on both sides coming from this ruling?

(Tennessee) State Supremes say anonymous tips sufficient to detain drivers Nashville City Paper ^ | 10/20/2009 | Nashville City Paper Posted on October 21, 2009 The state Supreme Court ruled unanimously Tuesday anonymous tips are sufficient cause for police to stop suspected drunken drivers. In the case, an anonymous caller to police reported the reckless driving of an 18-wheeler on Interstate 75 in Loudon County. A police officer then found the truck parked on an exit ramp and, after administering field sobriety tests to the driver, arrested him for driving under the influence. In his argument to the Supreme Court, the driver, Jerry Lee Hanning, contended the officer lacked reasonable suspicion to make his 2003 arrest because he didn’t personally see reckless driving. In her opinion, Justice Sharon Lee wrote “the anonymous tip reporting reckless driving indicated a sufficiently high risk of imminent injury or death to members of the public to warrant immediate intervention by law enforcement officials.†“Had the officer refrained from detaining Mr. Hanning and allowed him to resume driving, either Mr. Hanning or another member of the public may well have been killed or injured.†The court affirmed the decisions of the Court of Criminal Appeals and Criminal Court of Loudon County to deny Hanning’s motion to suppress the evidence obtained during his arrest.

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There is no mechanism in place, it all falls back upon the state and its failure to train law enforcement adequately, which Tennessee is horribly guilty of. Some departments, larger departments have Instructors who put together monthly training letters which may address a specific court ruling, but two things need to happen for that "method of dissemination" to be effective. First the one putting the memo together must write about it and in a manor that a can be easily comprehended. Next the end user must read it thoroughly, comprehend it, retain it and apply it.

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Not to challenge your post, but that guy in the story you referenced had way more wrong with his case than just shooting an unarmed person, he planted evidence, tampered with a murder investigation, was drinking alcohol and didn't report the shooting in a timely manor as well as him having a mouth about him always boasting about killing someone and planting a knife on them. Not a good example IMHO.

If its private property they can threaten you with criminal trespass, but you must be given the opportunity to leave the property and then refuse to do so in the presence of LE or someone empowered by the property owner to prosecute charges privately, or you must be told to leave and never return in the presence of LE and then return to the property knowing that you were given a valid CTW. But as already been posted they can fire you for wearing the wrong color socks if they want to.

Ask yourself this question. At what point will a simple fist fight or assault turn into great bodily harm? Can you answer it for everyone physically? Will you recognize that threshold as being crossed while being assaulted and more importantly will you still be able to react once you reach that point? When the thought of going to jail is far better than the thought of what could or is about to happen to you, the time has come to clear leather.

Probably another example of a failure to adequately train law enforcement officers by the state. It appears the officer walked away and used a cellphone, wonder if he called someone who then set him straight on state law?

When folks like this get into trouble, someone breaking into their homes, stealing their cars, robbing them who do they call? What do those people bring with them when they come? Why do they have what they bring with them? She's a typical liberal idiot, do us all a favor buy her a bus pass to Haight Ashbury.

Reverse gun control? Interesting.

One of the fundamental problems I've seen over my many years, is my fellow cops attempting to enforce laws they know little about, such as gun carry laws. Most states give very little in the way of instruction to Academy Cadets on gun laws especially carry laws. Why I dunno, but every state I've worked in, including Tennessee does this. This puts the individual officer (later on) in a position where they see something which to them appears to be illegal, example open carrying, they feel compelled to rush and act so they stop and detain the person. That person knows the applicable laws because they are a gun enthusiast, who enjoys studying the subject and have no real need to know anything else about the other 25,795 laws. So they take great offense at the officer, his lack of specific knowledge and the situation. They feel the need to educate the officer who is a type A personality, who feels he/she knows the law better than you and will not listen to anything you say, you become agitated with them, begin questioning their legal standing and we all know how it ends... Who's fault is it? I blame the elected officials of this state and every other state where they pride themselves in eroding our God given Constitutional rights each and everyday the legislature is in session. What do I think needs to happen? More cases need to be brought before the courts where LEO's are challenged and proved wrong and made aware in grand fashion of their mistakes, so they will not happen again. other officers will think twice before acting on flawed instinct instead of sound legal knowledge and we need to send every anti-gun politician, Police Chief and Sheriff home and let them know exactly why they were handed their walking papers. That is the only way this problem will ever be corrected.

Hmmm... I don't seem to recall it ever showing on any of my PDT's or in dispatch. Here in TN, I know you get it back, but you also get back the drivers history, which is not the case in Ga. a DH requires an officers signature to retrieve. Point being, each state is vastly different and so is the amount of info you can and can not receive. I also don't recall ever seeing any other HCP info from any other state for that matter ever showing up on any terminal I ever used in Ga. Another example is in Ga. we had access to auto insurance files, much like in Tn the HCP files. They were referenced to the vehicle tag, when we ran the tag it would show if you had valid insurance or not. Don't have that info here in Tn.

Let you in on a small secret about BI's (having spent many years as a LE Background Investigator) any time an investigator can find a corner to cut, sadly they typically will. I've seen where investigators will green light apps of folks who are currently employed at other similar agencies under the assumption they are good to go, otherwise they would not still be employed (no crap). I've seen BI's for less sensitive jobs, such as a 911 dispatcher get green lighted for simplistic reason, such as, in this case you holding a current HCP and in good standing with the state, no suspended D/L, apparent criminal history and a HCP. I've seen BI's based solely on polygraphs, which are commonly used to "lessen" the footwork of an actual physical human being, performing an actual physical background investigation. I've seen BI's green lighted based on a single letter of recommendation by say, a Sheriff or Chief of Police. Its sad but I bet the question has more to do with the BI's need to know if you have already withstood the test of a BI before, simply to save him or her a step or 10, cutting corners etc... And folks wonder why bad apples get into LE, then cause massive headaches for good cops ultimately ending up in the news or in jail? Its why I'm no longer a BI and spend most my days investigating bad cops. Just food for thought.

That is why God created NetFlix! Haven't been to a theater in ages.

Not all states have the ability to obtain HCP thru D/L files. Georgia for instance does not. Each state uses a different computer gateway to obtain D/L data and some states, Georgia for instance does not compile a database for HCP that are issued by each county. Don't assume that just because your home state has the ability, the state you are traveling in has the same.