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I like mine, but I like most all guns. No grip safety on the p238. My opinion is no more valid than the next persons, it's just mine and what I am comfortable with today. It may differ tomorrow. I know there is a ton of experience out here in cyberspace and it is very cool to be able to share with and from people I know have a lot more knowledge and experience than me. (reread my last post and it looks very ... opinionated!) Have a nice day!

Yes in a holster in the pocket, then I have missed my opportunity to grab my weapon and so has my attacker, I must then rely on my years of martial arts training (2nd degree blackbelt)to remove my self from the attacking situation and escape. What attacker would want to grapple with me if he has a gun? Why would I pull a gun on someone who doesn't have one? Why would I be grappling with an attacker who has a gun unless Im taking his gun from him. Like I said, i can have my gun ready to fire as fast as i need to. Look up the training the Israelis get, it not a handicap. Carrying in the pocket is more of a handicap than a waist holster for sure, but beats not carrying at all. Ideally its about getting out of a situation without killing myself or someone else. I have carried a 1911 for years cocked and locked but thats a lot different from trying to fish a gun out of your pocket. It almost takes two hands just to get it out of most of my pockets.

Almost forgot, you can get hardcast 100g 1150 fps 380acp round from buffalo bore. They are great little penetrators. Compare that to some standard 38sp (which I also have) of 125g at 900fps or 9mm with 115g at 1150fps. Not a lot of difference. I know you can get plus p rounds for the others, but most people dont. I personally like the 135 g 10mm at 1700 fps with 865lbs of energy... yahoo!

I have looked at the lcp,bersa cc and the sig p238 for pocket carry. A friend had an lcp and a keltec. Both shot hard, wanting to jump out of the hand for a difficult follow up shot. After shooting several rounds the trigger pull made your finger sore. His wife could not even rack the slide. She can rack the slide (and shoot with less felt recoil) on my glock 20 sf 10mm with moderate power rounds. They sold the lcp and bought a bersa thunder 380. Too big for the pocket by far. The cc is a little smaller but not much.The lcp/keltec fits the pocket nicely with or without a pocket holster. I don't carry anything in my pocket with a round in the chamber, I only carry Israeli style in the pocket- there is simply too much at stake. I can rack the slide on the way up to fire and not lose half a second, but not with the lcp. I find that the p238 is the more accurate gun, much easier to rack the slide, has almost no recoil, is sao with a nice trigger, has external hammer and safety like the colt delta elite 10mm that i carried cocked and locked for bunches of years and fits the same holster the lcp did and disappears in the pocket. While most people have no problem with sigs, I did have to "break in" the p238. I sent it back to sig, they put in a new barrel, magazine and recoil spring. After i polished the feedramp, cleaned and lubed it, it has been 100% ever since with over 1000 rounds thru it. My wife claims its her gun but I carry it in my pocket during the summer when I dont carry my 10mm. Academy sports has them in the safe behind the counter and I was out the door with the gun, two boxes of ammo, tax and tbi check for just a little over $500. They don't keep them under the glass, you have to ask. I always use fmj rounds for penetration. I don't feel undergunned as I can carry it unnoticed in many places I wouldn't normally carry my glock 10mm. The best gun to use is the one with you that you have practiced with and are intimately familiar with and is always by your side/pocket.

Oh, I almost forgot. Colt still makes the delta and combat elite in 10mm. Kimber still makes a couple 1911's in 10mm. I enjoyed my delta elite immensely, 100% reliable, no malfunctions thru thousands of rounds. Accurate as heck too.

Fusion firearms make some absolutely beautiful 10mm's. Check them out. Dan Wesson had made some really nice ones recently. eaa imports more than just witness in 10mm its the sarsilmaz k2, a 17+1 da/sa turkish military beauty. How about the H&k mp5/10?

1gewehr, Are your witness's wonder or plastic? Do they have the newer rounded slide? Any problems?

The g20 didn't fit my hand very well. I love my g20sf. The short frame adds a lot of ergonomics for my hand.

Greetings, Long time 10mm fan here. First 10mm I bought a new Colt Delta Elite in 1990 which I carried until I got my G10sf. Both have been absolutely flawless throughout the years. The g20sf has become my all time favorite gun. It does so many things well and is 100% reliable. It has been my primary weapon while black bear hunting, with sixteen round capacity is an awesome home defence weapon and with my 22lr advantage arms conversion it it my everyday plinker. With a simple barrel change your shooting 357sig, 40s&w, 9x25 dillon (1995 fps 881 ft/lbs). People say ammo is hard to get and is expensive, I have never run out of ammo in over 20 years of shooting 10mm. Some of my favorite places to get ammo would be: Georgia arms (warm and cheap) doubletap (hot and moderately priced) reeds ammo (hot and moderately priced) and swampfox (nuclear loads, nuclear prices). Some of the stuff at swampfox is so hot you must use an aftermarket barrel (1700 fps, 865 ft/lbs 135 gr nosler). I would like to try some eaa's 10mm but have seen mixed reviews. The gun fits the hand nicely until the slide cracks.