The Scullinator

I know you said small town stuff but one of our personal favorites is ST. Louis! I spent 3 years there at school and there is just SO MUCH to do. And there is small town stuff to do close by in Alton IL, Defiance MO etc,

Heck I'm watching From Dusk Till Dawn again!

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It would take pages and paragraphs to even begin to explain what in my OPINION is obvious signs of abuse/neglect but I assure you it doesn't involve what you have listed in it's simplest form. There are different extremes of "spanking in public" and what is defined as abuse or normal discipline. I fear you have me pegged as a left wing liberal who jumps at the first sign and I assure you I'm far from it. I will agree that things get reported that should never be reported. Man if in your "OPINION" the ridiculous scenario that I purposed is not a red flag of a irresponsible gun owner then we will have to agree to disagree. If some guy walks in to my office and hands his 8 year old son that kind of weapon then IT IS MY BUSINESS! You right! I don't know of any national guidelines that prohibit an adult from handing AN 8 YEAR OLD a hand gun (but there probably are) and thus I have no problem admitting that it is my OPINION that it is a sign of an irresponsible gun owner. Do you have any idea the liability issues I would have if I allowed 8 year old kids to handle weapons in my place of business? I'm not running a gun store here. I don't have people in place to monitor children with guns! This argument is preposterous. I'd be a moron not to report the guy. If someone got hurt or died because I knowingly let that scenario play out guess who gets sued!!! ME!!! I have taken 8 year old children shooting before! Gun ranges are an appropriate place to hand an 8 year old a gun. A doctor's office is not! How about this... why don't you purpose a scenario (equally ridiculous if you like) where it is appropriate to hand an 8 year old a hand gun IN A DOCTOR'S OFFICE so I can see your side of the argument. Ya I almost edited out the whole "Not all reports go through hell… just those with enough evidence" comment because I thought it was gonna get taken out of context but I figured that you could get the point of the whole paragraph which was: It's not a perfect system and most of the time it does what it is supposed to do. It needs a major face lift or overhaul but unless we have something better right on it heels IT NEEDS TO STAY IN PLACE. So the system does absolutely nothing? There are no sexually or physically abused children being saved from horrible situations? Then yea I agree! DOWN WITH THE SYSTEM!!! I'll tell you what man, you watch a young girl get down on her knees and thank God (when she thinks that NO ONE is watching) that he has sent someone to deliver her from her (sexual abuse) problem, and tell me that the system isn't doing a lot of good! My point WAS NEVER that there isn't a lot of room for improvement. And so you've got an example of a group of kids that have been FAILED! WE ARE BOTH IN AGREEMENT THAT THEY COULD DO MUCH BETTER! My main argument is that if I had a choice of keeping what we have or just dropping it completely, I would choose to continue with what we have because NO ONE IS WORKING ON PUTTING ANYTHING BETTER IN PLACE AT THIS TIME. If you are currently working on a new and improved system then my hat is off to you and I would love to be involved. I have many personal relationships with people that are DCS employees and they will be the first to tell you that they have been infiltrated with plenty of morons. Many of them are only there because they have a passion for what they do (and that passion IS NOT screwing innocent people). You labeling all DCS workers as baboons is just as wrong as labeling every active member of this forum as an extreme right wing loonytoon. (no offense to those who consider them selves as far right wingers... I'm referring to those who claim that our soldiers are dieing because we are a sinful nation of sodomites and those who encourage the killing of people like the "family planning doctors" (abortion doctors). I consider myself to be pretty conservative/right wing.) I've never spent any time in Anderson county's court system so maybe your right and in your area the whole system is doing more bad than good. I just think that completely doing away with a national system that is set up to protect children that can't protect them selves is a really bad idea.

From what I understand if you are armed you should avoid conflict and that means running if that what it comes down to. I don't think that showing your gun would be a good idea at all... he already knows you carry and thats a problem in its self. This whole situation is not good at all... if he wants to mess you up all he's got to do is catch you before you can draw. depending on where you work that may not be hard. I'm having a hard time understanding how your boss knows he threatened you and he's not doing anything. to question 1. by responding with "its not smart to threaten me with physical violence" that could be interpreted as a counter threat. to question 2. you have to be in fear of your life to justify drawing and or firing. Man I would just lay low. You got a bad situation here. 1. guy threatened you. 2. He has made comment about your gun. 3. what you've already said to him could be interpreted as a threat. 4. From the information I have your boss isn't doing anything about it. 5. even if you did have a perfect self defense shooting you've already got some issues with the situation. I'm not saying you shouldn't draw if you ARE IN TRUE FEAR FOR YOUR LIFE. I'm just saying be careful.

WELL SAID LESTER WEEVILS!!!! THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND INPUT!!!

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We all have the responsibility to report any obvious signs of abuse or neglect. We all have a responsibility to protect those who can’t protect themselves. Why should it be any different for a doctor? A doctor was just the subject of this thread. If I found out that someone had good hard evidence that my child was being heinously neglected or abused when he/she wasn’t in my presence and didn’t inform me or the authorities… that person has a bigger problem at this point… ME!!! And as for signs of irresponsible gun ownership... like I said I was going out on a very long limb and almost nobody is that stupid. But just for the sake of the argument... lets say a father brings his kids with him for a check up and hands his 8 y/o son his 45. Would you not agree that this may be a sign of an irresponsible gun owner. LET ME SAY AGAIN!!!!! Very far fetched but would you not see this as a red flag? My patients bring their guns with them all the time and put them on the table when they undress... not a problem and I personally love it because it lets me know they trust me and gives me an opportunity to talk about my gun fetish. I know the above scenario is ridiculous but I could totally see it happening in <st1:city w:st="on"><st1></st1></st1:city><st1:city w:st="on"><st1>Memphis</st1></st1:city>... haha sorry guys I couldn't resist. <o></o> I agree with Blackstone's formulation "better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer" but I’m not going to say we have sooo many bad judges and DCS workers that we should kill what the system does. Not all reports go through hell… just those with enough evidence. I have a close friend who called the authorities on her step father with allegations of abuse. She was just a rebellious teen that didn’t want to submit to authority. They were asked and admitted to spanking but nothing else the girl said stuck. The authorities saw it for what it was and all charges were dropped. The family is still revered as responsible upstanding citizens. I’m not saying that it always turns out this way but what I am saying that sometimes the system works. It is a shame that some people can’t afford the best legal defense but that still doesn’t warrant not having a system in place. <o></o> <o></o> I agree to the point that there probably is a better way of doing things but totally dismantling it… without plans for something else to take its place is a total mistake. <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><meta name="ProgId" content="Word.Document"><meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 11"><meta name="Originator" content="Microsoft Word 11"><link rel="File-List" href="file:///C:%5CDOCUME%7E1%5CUSER%7E1.STA%5CLOCALS%7E1%5CTemp%5Cmsohtml1%5C01%5Cclip_filelist.xml"><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:WordDocument> <w:View>Normal</w:View> <w:Zoom>0</w:Zoom> <w:PunctuationKerning/> <w:ValidateAgainstSchemas/> <w:SaveIfXMLInvalid>false</w:SaveIfXMLInvalid> <w:IgnoreMixedContent>false</w:IgnoreMixedContent> <w:AlwaysShowPlaceholderText>false</w:AlwaysShowPlaceholderText> <w:Compatibility> <w:BreakWrappedTables/> <w:SnapToGridInCell/> <w:WrapTextWithPunct/> <w:UseAsianBreakRules/> <w:DontGrowAutofit/> </w:Compatibility> <w:BrowserLevel>MicrosoftInternetExplorer4</w:BrowserLevel> </w:WordDocument> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:LatentStyles DefLockedState="false" LatentStyleCount="156"> </w:LatentStyles> </xml><![endif]--><style> <!-- /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {mso-style-parent:""; margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";} @page Section1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in; mso-header-margin:.5in; mso-footer-margin:.5in; mso-paper-source:0;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> </style><!--[if gte mso 10]> <style> /* Style Definitions */ table.MsoNormalTable {mso-style-name:"Table Normal"; mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0; mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; mso-style-noshow:yes; mso-style-parent:""; mso-padding-alt:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt; mso-para-margin:0in; mso-para-margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language:#0400; mso-fareast-language:#0400; mso-bidi-language:#0400;} </style> <![endif]--> “does more harm than good” until you show me the evidence that it actually does do more harm than good… Sir I will have to respectfully disagree!!!

AGREED. The system is flawed but I'm not sure I'm ready to do away with it completely.... yet ;-D I would love for DCS to be modeled much more like the child advocacy centers but the government doesn't run things that way. And your right about the quality of people that work there. The screening processes in most cases don't seem to be up to what I think should be standard but again government..... nuff said.

"multiple injuries that should and could be avoided in any responsible home" My quote and let me clarify. I personally wouldn't consider multiple bike wreck injuries to be included in this category. I was thinking more like poisonings from a parent improperly storing chemicals and not watching kids who don't know better. Stab wounds that came from objects that have no business being within reach of a child of that age. ... you know.... multiple injuries that just shouldn't be happening to a child of that age... I agree for the most part and understand your irritation. Here's the problem... that law is in place to help prevent child abuse. I am involved with the child abuse preventions centers (non-for profit, grant and private donation funded, not government run) here in west TN and see a need for such a law. In walks nosy, pompous, in your business doctor who truly believes that he/she is way more qualified to raise your kids than you are. I share your annoyance with these people because they cause a lot of problems for your average Joe who doesn't relentlessly beat or sexually abuse their kids. There have been cases of doctors getting parents into major court battles to keep their kids just because they didn't want them to have certain vaccinations. That's not abuse or neglect!!! Just remember that if your a decent parent, everything should come out in the wash even if you do run into one of these quacks. But I'll agree, it scares the crap out of me to entertain the thought that I could encounter one of these doctors in the future.

The only reason I can even justify such a question... and I'm going out on an extremely long limb here... is if: 1. You suspect that there is a problem with child neglect. 2. You see evidence of negligence in other areas of child safety. e.g. multiple injuries that should and could be avoided in any responsible home. 3. You see signs of them being an irresponsible gun owner. Another point is that there are probably more important questions to be asking if any or all of the above scenarios are present. (or child services should have already been called. Note. "need to know" In this reply I am not saying (and never did) the Dr. would need to know, just some situations may warrent the question... and that is only up to the doctor's discretion. Doctors are required to report to authorities it they see evidence of abuse or neglect... again a stretch but not entirely rediculous. Also note. My first post was just to address that lying to your doctor is quite common and I have done it in the past to avoid opening a can of worms that I knew wasn't related... And I hope that I didn't sound like I felt that a guns in the home question should be apart of routine questioning. That (IMHO) is just moronic and apart of a liberal Nazi's quest to disrupt the lives of conservative ideals.

My patients lie to me all the time... I don't mind but if I'm suspicious of the lying and think it's important that I know the truth I'll just explain why I asked. Sometimes it brings the truth out. Sometimes not. I just expect the patient to take responsibility for the outcome if their condition goes south. Remember doctors are people too and some are just as retarded as anyone else. Personally I wouldn't take my kids to a pediatrician who had those kind of standards. That is the same type of person that would turn you into authorities for opting out of certain vaccinations.

lol no why? (sorry for the delay)

+1 db99wj I have a heavy foot and I don't like to wear my seat-belt . I have been pulled over more than my share (no probably as much as I should have ) and have always had the policy of showing nothing but a humble respect for the officer:angel:. I have heard horror stories about how big of an a-hole officers have been to others. I have NEVER had this experience. Makes you wonder who the real a-hole was... Sorry to the exceptions.

ROFL so wrong so wrong... Guys I've been looking to buy a Kahr for some time now and haven't had the motivation to cough up that kinda money but Man... I'm not far now.

WOW Interesting Read! Had no idea and never heart of the religion!

LagerHead, When I read this I immediately felt that you were in dire need of a complete mental enema. I then to re-read the origional post by strelcevina and realized what he was actually getting at. Thank you for opening my eyes to the passive aggressiveness (maybe not so passive) in the first post and wish me luck as I proceed to give myself a complete mental enema so that I'm not so blind to ridiculous general statements!

My wife is tiny and has shot plenty to know what she likes. She loves her LCP. I don't think I'll ever buy another Taurus.

Sig P226 in 9mm (First gun I ever bought) Inherited Browning A5 12ga (substitute because I don't own another handgun I wouldn't let go.)

My favorite quote!!! George Bernard Shaw wrote, "This is the true joy of life: the being used up for a purpose recognized by yourself as a mighty one; being a force of nature instead of a feverish, selfish little clot of ailments and grievances, complaining that the world will not devote itself to making you happy." This quote changes my thought patterns every time they go the wrong way. BE A FORCE OF NATURE!!!

HAHAHAHA Thats priceless!!! My wife and I had a similar conversation but I told her that I liked her better all natural. She still wears makeup religiously... even when we're not leaving the house... proof that the makeup IS NOT for me. ;-D

I found that pic on a friend of a friends myspace page years ago and had to make a copy of it. If I ever met her in person I think I would defecate on myself from laughing so hard because I've shown it to WAY too many people.

Coyote Attacks On People in the U.S. and Canada Here's an interesting link. Growing up in the country in west tn where I've known for years that they were not far off (frequently heard their yelping). Never once heard of an attack on humans. My little siblings frequently went tromping around in the woods with the rest of us kids and we never even saw one. They are extremely timid creatures. The only time I've ever seen one is when they were not aware that I was there.

I have had FTE/FTF (at about 3-400 rounds) and failure for the firing pin to hit hard enough for the round to fire (from day one on about 3% of the rounds). Sent it back to the factory (at no cost to me) 6 weeks later I had a brand new gun. At about 80 rounds the firing pin stopped hitting the round all together. Sent it back to the factory and within 2 weeks I had it back with invoice stating they replaced firing pin and missing part. MISSING PART???? hmmmmmm I was going to trade it in for a Kahr pm9 but after looking at the price vs. trade value I think I'm going to keep pluggin away at getting the slim up to par... third times the charm right. Other than all of the above, the gun has been a decent shooter... my wife loves shooting it and fits in my pocket just fine (wouldn't wear it there all day.. just in and out of stores etc.)