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  Sorry John, but you can't add to the rules.  Nowhere does it say "Straight with the Slide" it states "Outside the Trigger Guard."   Rule in total.   2.6.  The trigger finger must be obviously and visibly outside the trigger guard during loading, unloading, drawing, holstering, while moving (unless engaging targets) or during malfunction clearance.

  There is a reason that the term Safety Officer was used instead of Range Officer.    Your focus was to be - Safety.   Now we're the Home Plate Umpire, Field Judge, Head Linesman, Referee.   With the new rulebook we are expected to be in charge of the beginning and ending of the stage, enforcing the IDPA rulebook and local range regulations, making judgment calls on shooters while they shoot, and then handling the disciplinary actions within the squad.   I'll be the first one to admit that I'm watching the firearm first and always.  I tell whoever is scoring to watch for PEs that I might miss because I keeping the muzzle as my focus.  If the scorer sees anything, I ask that we discuss it After I call a clear range.   My focus will remain Safety.

Well I'm very disappointed that HQ did not correct the error on Page 4 that I pointed out during the comment period.   Jeff Cooper was not a Full Colonel.  :shake:   He was a LtCol, USMCR.   That important distinction is kind of.., sort of..., well its very important to some of us.  :whistle:     OK, all kidding aside.   I've been an SO now for over 12 years.      I don't see where this new rulebook has done anything that really improves IDPA.    The changes that were made seem to be petty with undue concern for trivial matters.  These changes have only made points of friction and conflict by the creation of dissimilar ideas.  There was insignificant focus on the important, with a deliberate and unworthy foolishness to change the utterly commonplace or unremarkable (i.e., Shooter Ready).   This new rulebook displays a total lack of wisdom and the required anticipating vision of what was needed for the growth of IDPA.   Epic Fail. 

  Hmmmmm.....,   Maybe this is a clever way of wearing us competitors down.   The age old burden of the infantry and the things they carry - weapon - ammo - food - water.   I'll resist the urge to pack dry socks!  :pleased:

Somewhere....   Just out of sight.......   Divorce Lawyers are cheering this SCOTUS ruling.   :stir:

  Dang..., Busted Already.  :ugh:   But Hey....., will there be sandwiches for sale like last year.  They Were AWESOME.  :up:

So using a "Barney Mag" can we start the stage with 21 in the rifle. Yup - - - I'm already gaming it! :whistle:

Kershaw Leek or the SOG Twitch in either the II or XL models.   All can be found for under $50.00 and made in the USA.

Guys I want these rifles back home also, but there is a problem......  :stir:   Some of those Garands & Carbines were part of a lend-lease deal with the ROK.  Those rifles are still under control of the US Military by serial number.   The Koreans are wanting to sell them all back to us via an importer when some of them should be coming back to us via the CMP.   So in affect this bill would allow the Koreans to select an importer who would then sell the rifles back at a higher cost to the America taxpayer who already owns some of those firearms.  Ask Walmart about dealing with Korean businessmen and their custom of kickbacks which to them is just part of the deal.    Now if the Garands are all -13 Winchesters and early IHCs then of course lets get them back here anyway we can!  :dirty:

Well Done and a BIG Army HOOAH to the new Gunny!

Agree 100% in regard to your comments about having the gear you need for the mission (and the strength to carry it). Your point about age is also spot-on. As a young Infantry 2LT in my early 20s, I often wondered how I was going to make it to retirement carrying such loads well into my 40s. However - - - You do realize that Amazons and Shield Maidens are literary works of the legends created in Greek mythology and Scandinavian folklore. BUT, I must admit that I have enjoyed Katheryn Winnick's role of Lagertha in the television series "Vikings." AND before anybody comes in with the Dirty Old Man comments, its because Lagertha reminds me of my head-strong and very competitive daughter.

Interesting comments Jonnin.   Just one question.   How much Ground Combat time do you have?

Wag - The - Dog   Appears that Barry Hussein has learned to use Bill Clinton's method to construct a fake war to divert attention from his many scandals.   Going into Syrian will be a catastrophe...., but BHO could care less so long as it spins the media's storyline away from his morally and legally wrong doings.  

GS455,   OK...., this is going to seem down in the rulebook weeds.    I'm going to refer to the NRA High Power Rifle Rulebook (Jan 2013) since your question is about a modern firearm.  These are the rules used during the first match we shoot.   http://competitions.nra.org/documents/pdf/compete/RuleBooks/HPR/hpr-book.pdf   The M4 Carbine is not listed as one of the "service rifles" in para 3.1 of the rulebook.  The M16 family is, but not the M4.  The M4 is a carbine with a collapsible stock which is not allowed in the service rifle .    Most Match Directors place the M4 in "Any Rifle."   3.2 Any Rifle - A rifle with no restrictions on sights or accessories including Schuetzen type buttplates and palm rests except that it must be safe to competitors and range personnel. Ammunition will be restricted to no larger than .35 caliber. (Attention is directed to safety fan limitations of various ranges. Individual ranges may further restrict ammunition.) The provisions of Rule 3.16.1 apply to this definition.   3.16.1 - The use of compensators or muzzle brakes is prohibited.  (Flash hiders OK).   So Bottom Line.....   Bring it and Shoot it  - - - We'll find a place on the line for it.   So Long as it doesn't have a comp/muzzle brake.  :pleased:         

You could shoot the LAR8 but it would be "Out-Of-Competition" for any consideration of awards or NRA classifications.    We're all about getting folks out and shooting.    Yes there will be some Very Serious and Very Good Competitors shooting the 50 shot NRA match.  And during that match High Power NRA rules will be enforced for the conduct of the match.  Those of us with classifications will have our scores sent forward to the NRA since its an approved match.  That can be a big deal for somebody trying to move up in classification.   But we'll put you on the firing line with all of us even if you want to shoot the first match with the LAR8.  Again you would shoot out-of-competition, but with the goal as lefty82 said - - - to have fun, be safe and shoot X's. 

  Yes to all.  In fact I have shot everything you have listed at one of these matches.   Our vintage match is opened to just about any "as-issued" military rifles.  Since its a local fun match, shoot whatever you bring.  Heck, I'm thinking about shooting a MAS 49/56 this time.       When we do the sanctioned CMP match in Nov we will follow the those rules and will have six different classes.   - Garand - Springfield - Vintage Military Rifle (all other manually operated U.S. and foreign rifles) - Unlimited Garand (Match Grade M1s) - Modern Military Rifle (as-issued)   We are also planning to do the CMP match at 200 yards and will do Standing to Sitting and Standing to Prone!  :woohoo:

  Yes, I am a GGC member - - - But I'm not the "Mark Long" listed as the contact for the match.  I was doing a cut and paste of the match announcement that was sent to me.    Mark Long is the Match Director.  He is also the State High Power Rifle coordinator for the NRA.  Send a email to him marklong@tds.net and he will put you on the list to get these notices.   We always shoot these matches every third Saturday at GGC from Feb - Sep.  In Oct we do a High Power clinic and in Nov we are planning on a CMP match.   Trust you'll be able to make it next time.

  I Agree!   :up:     See you next time.

TWO MATCH SATURDAY GALLATIN GUN CLUB JUNE 15, 2013 --------------------------------------- MATCH #1 NRA APPROVED HIGH-POWER RIFLE MATCH 50 shot national match format from the 100 yard line ENTRY FEE: $10 Registration from 0700-0830 NRA HIGH-POWER RULES AND CLASSIFICATION SYSTEM IN EFFECT A 15 minute unlimited shot sight-in session will precede each relay CASH AWARD TO THE OVERALL WINNER --------------------------------------- MATCH #2 VINTAGE HIGH-POWER RIFLE MATCH 30 shots---10 shots off-hand slow-fire, 10 shots sitting rapid-fire, 10 shots prone slow-fire from the 100 yard line ENTRY FEE: $10 Registration at NRA match registration, late arrivals register at beginning of match NRA HIGH-POWER CADENCE, NO ALIBI'S RAPID-FIRE A 15 minute unlimited shot sight-in session will precede each relay CASH AWARD TO OVERALL WINNER ---------------------------------------- CONTACT:Mark Long marklong@tds.net 615-754-0972 mon-fri between 2pm-6pm 615-681-1710 mon-fri aft 6pm  

  :tough:

Hmmmm...., Ten!   Only ten Shotgun shots.  Well, Well, Somebody is trying to lull us into complacency    Its a trap I tell you - - - A Trap!   :eek: 

Thanks to everyone for the kind comments. I trust that this thread will spark an interest among many to look for those hidden treasures that are still out there. See You On The Firing Line!

Here is an picture from WWII. Note that the sniper on the right has fired and his scope is now in the forward position. Also note that the left sniper's rifle has a straight finger-groove stock and not a C-Stock with the pistol grip. Some researchers think that this rifle would be one that was built from a pre-war match rifle since some of the USMC shooter didn't like the pistol grip.

  So long as that bus is part of a multi billion dollar public works program for mass transit built by illegal immigrants fronting for no-show union members.   And of course the route for the earth-friendly solar bus has to drive over a demolished Fairground Speedways that has been turned into a Green Project and Public Arts experience. 

Here is a pic that explains how the scope moves during recoil. The scope in its firing position with the forward stop (Red Arrow) resting against the front ring. When the rifle recoils it moves under the scope and the rear stop (Yellow Arrow) limits the movement of the scope. For the next shot you run the bolt to chamber a new round and then pull the scope to the rear up against the forward stop. This was done back before "shock-proof" scopes where designed. This protected the glass in the tubes from recoil.