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Spiffy,   ORSA will be running a 200 yard CMP Games Match on 20 Sep.  That would be a good match to start with.

The HBAR would be OK in NRA and CMP service rifle matches so long as it has the USGI profile beginning at the FSB.   Correct that CMP Games Match rules require an "as-issued" profile only - - - even under the handguards.    http://www.thecmp.org/Competitions/CMPGamesRules.pdf

Yes you can have either an A1 or A2 buttstock.   You can also have either an A1 or A2 grip.   Handguards can be A1, A2...., or A4 (allowed, but I have never seen anyone using a railed handguard).   You can also use an A4 upper, but the full rear sight carry handle must be used.   Basically any configuration of the full-size service rifle.   M4 style carbines are not allowed as a service rifle, but most local club matches will allow you to shoot one in a "out-of-competition" category.  You can shoot the match, your scores just won't be recorded.

Tea..., Earl Grey...., Hot. Make It SO! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2IJdfxWtPM Actually, as a Gentleman Farmer, I prefer my Earl Grey as Afternoon Tea served sitting in low chairs while relaxing in the garden. ---- Getting Back On Topic ----- As leftlyk82 noted, a basic, stock M16A2 configured AR is a good place to start in Service Rifle. You can add all of the other National Match level parts as you skills develop and you begin to outshoot your rifle. The only thing that I would do right from the beginning is a good two-stage trigger. I've watched too many folks over the years struggle with the restraints of a standard heavy, creepy USGI trigger not to recommend that as a must-do-first modification.

Well Ugly, the Black Rifle now rules in NRA High Power Service Rifle.  We're shooting across the course with 75-80g bullets and holding sub-MOA.  You still might see a match prep M14 every once in a while, but the AR is now the way to go.    However, M1 Garands still have a home in CMP matches!  :up:  

      Unless you're running a bolt-gun...., we always Double Tap first during Rapid Fire!  :dirty:   http://youtu.be/r5JaCHFdokI

I Will Be There.   ATW-ABN!

I'm surprised that the BHO admin hasn't done this earlier.   I was expecting that some nameless ATF bureaucrat would issued a late Friday afternoon determination that import of AKs in all their forms had no "sporting purposes."   Oh course BHO would react that he didn't know about the new ATF rule and had just read about it in the paper just like everybody else.  :squint:   

I didn't know the AWG was doing that stateside.        By 2007 I had departed TRADOC and the Army had put me out to pasture with First Army before I retired.

  Are you talking about the Close Quarters Marksmanship Course (CQM) that the AMU developed?  By 2007 it might have matured with a big enough cadre base across the Army for the Combined Arms Center Training (CAC-T) to be the lead.     

  The training area was one of the successes coming out of that earlier program.  It was hard, Hard, HARD, to get the Army out of its square range mind-set.  I remember the shock and horror coming out of the safety center when scenario based training was discussed.  They just couldn't get their little Safety-Nazi brain around the idea of people drawing from a holster, never mind that tens of thousands of civilians did it every weekend in competition shooting.      Yet, like everything in the Army even this is driven by funding.  If your unit doesn't apply the additional training dollars by sending folks to "Train-The-Trainer" at Benning or paying the AMU to come to you to build a cadre, it won't happen.  Also the additional ammo for this must also be funded by the unit, its over and above what the Standards in Training Commission (STRAC) training ammunition guidelines allows for pistol training. 

  Only if some knucklehead forgets to attach their lanyard, it "departs" out of the holster from the opening shock of the chute...., and then your entire unit gets to spend days on lockdown searching for it across the DZ.   :rant:   

  Earlier we had the input of several LEO departments (FBI, DEA, BP, LAPD, NYPD, etc., etc.).  They had the most current and up to date shooting data and training methods by type of firearm.  We also had several in person briefings by agency personnel.  They where very insightful.  I would disagree that the military is not an expert in the area.  We just have different needs and requirements that LEOs do not (like jumping out of airplanes with sidearms and training 100s of thousands to use pistols).  Therefore our expertise is shaped by war-fighting needs and the consequence of selecting items for a large force of people, the 5th to 95th percentile of adults to include females.   Also, I'm sure there are a lot of 1911s that fail in civilian training courses and for many reason.  Until you have the mean time between failures (MTBF) presented before you that factually present the data - - - the comments of more than one civilian trainer carries little weight with armed professionals.    That said, the 1911 was not among the choices we selected for final consideration. 

  Having been one of those Graybeards - - - I agree 100% with your statement.    As I mentioned in another post to this thread I was a member of a council of an earlier pistol selection program.   AND....., I was the Only Gun Guy!  :eek:   Think about that.    You have the five combat arms directors in charge of their branch's training and I was the only shooter among them.  While I spent my weekends in competition shooting somewhere (or conducting training), these other guys where on the golf course.    We know what a golf course is......   A sad waste of what could be a fantastic rifle range! 

Well.......,   No seersucker at Goodwill.  :shrug:   Reckon I'll have to go with the 5.11s today.

Its going to be a hot one tomorrow.   Wonder if I could find some seersucker shorts at the Goodwill store tonight?   :dunno:  

  7 total posts in 3 years and you use one of them to bust me!  :stunned:

U.S. RIFLE CAL. .30 M1 The Civilian Marksmanship Program will be happy to take your order. See the link below. http://www.odcmp.com/Sales/m1garand.htm

  That was some of the "everybody gets a black beret" panic buy when Eric Shinseki was the CSA.   Somebody who couldn't fill their rush-production contact shipped in some berets via Canada (allowed since they are a NATO member) that turned out to be CHICOM. 

Glad to see that in the article that they were talking to a guy like Ernie Langdon.  Heck of a shooter and a great trainer.  We exchanged a couple of emails last month discussing my old Beretta Elite that he built for me back in 2001.    In regard to a newer handgun...., Well it looks to me like we are going down the same path that we did earler.    Early into the latest unpleasantries, I was one of the Army's five combat arms Directors of Training and Doctrine and therefore a part of the selection voting group for the Joint Combat Pistol program. I trust that whatever new effort in this area takes place, they will look hard at the selected handgun that we picked back then, the FN FNP .45acp Tactical.  15+1 in .45 ACP, I still can't figure out how they got that many rounds into such a slim profile grip.    Although it sounds from the interview that Ernie thinks that the .40S&W is the way to go, I would still pick .45 over .40.  In our testing we found it easier to train everyone (male, female - - - I reckon now also GLBT) with the .45 over the .40.  The .40 S&W just seem to have more snap to it than a push in recoil like the .45 ACP.  A lot of folks where surprised that the 'smaller hand" people felt that the .45ACP had a softer recoil.  The biggest upside for the .40 was capacity and the FN guys had matched that with their .45ACP Tactical.    I still don't know why that earlier program crashed and failed.  I do know that the USMC had a hard-on for another 1911 and even with the Army being the DOD proponent for small arms, make no mistake about this - - - the Marines can mount a very effective and successful lobbyist effort on the Hill when they want (or don't want) something.

My cousin is going to be So Envious of your new gadget!  :drool:

Only if we can find them at Goodwill.

  Does that mean we can now go and get some of those "Hooray for Me, Loaded with Logos like NASCAR, Want-A-Be a PRO Poser" Sponsor Shirts?  :x:    

Ben Schade can do the job.   Lebanon Gun Shop 102 A Hartman Drive Lebanon, TN 37087   (615) 547-9600   http://www.lebanongunshop.com/  

Thanks.   Sounds like a its going to be fun and challenging match.