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• Remington Fieldmaster Pump .22 LR & Shorts (Dad gave it to me for Christmas at about 13.) Holds about 21 .22 shorts. On my second firing pin. (It's 29 years old) • Ruger Mark II (Dad gave it to me for Christmas at about 14.) We would shoot it together. (It's 28 years old) It really made me feel like I was adult in his eyes. • Marlin 1894 .357 Lever (Dad gave it to me for Christmas at about 16.) He bought me this one, I found at later because he used to borrow a Lever 32-20 to hunt with as a boy. He saw this one and just couldn't pass it up. (It's 26 years old) I have many others, but these three are my favorites. More for sentimental reasons now. They all shoot very well. Can't help but think of him every time I shoot and handle them.

Added... it would be neat if it was color coded as in sections, or possible teams. If that makes sense.

I agree.

No it is not. But is it morally right for a gun owner to stop doing business with one when they fire an employee that was defending himself? I think so. They had many other "HR" tools at their disposal. (Write ups, suspension, mandatory retraining, etc.) If he had been addicted to drugs or alcohol they would have paid him to have him put through a program. Not calling for a nation wide boycott. Not trying to get T-Shirts made and have group hugs... I just can't in good conscious keep getting my son's diabetic stuff and our other meds from them. All I can say is it just doesn't feel right to me. To each their own.

"TGO David"?!? Who is this nut? I feel like a seven year old in wal-mart running through toys yelling "Stranger-STRANGER!!!!" Hahahaha!!!

Here is my reply I got this morning from "Alicia"... (I'm interested if anyone else gets a "canned" response like this.) Dear xxxxxxxx, Thank you for contacting Walgreens regarding this matter. Our policies in this area are designed to maintain the maximum safety of our customers and employees.Store employees receive comprehensive training on our company’s robbery procedures and how to react and respond to a potential robbery situation. In past incidents, employees have told us they’ve found this training effective.These policies and training programs are endorsed by law enforcement, which strongly advises against confrontation of crime suspects.Compliance is safer than confrontation. Through this practice, we have been able to maintain an exemplary record of safety.We’ve made significant investments in security technology in recent years, including increasing the number of digital surveillance cameras at our stores.With upgrades to security technology, we are able to provide police with high-resolution photographs and video of crime suspects.We continue to invest in state-of-the-art security measures and high-definition surveillance equipment and hope that the apprehension of robbery suspects in the Benton Harbor area will prevent future crimes. Thank you for contacting Walgreens to share your comments. Sincerely, Alicia Consumer Response Representative --------------- ------------------------- Here was my reply back...Alicia, Thank you for your time in responding back to me. Unfortunately it appears that we (Walgreens Policy and myself) disagree on a number of issues you point out in your company's response. Your response states... "These policies and training programs are endorsed by law enforcement, which strongly advises against confrontation of crime suspects." ... ... ... "Compliance is safer than confrontation." We must first define "Confrontation"... if that is to mean chasing an armed suspect from the premises that has stolen property I will agree that it is very unwise. Yet if we define "Confrontation" in the context of an act of defending one's self from serious bodily harm and or death... then that type of "Confrontation" is not only justified in court but is actually recommended by many law enforcement professionals. One such women's defense class (Given by our local Law Enforcement Officers) my wife took stressed repeatedly the need for resistance, both physically, mentally and verbally. Florida State University criminologist, Gary Kleck, analyzed data from the Department of Justice's National Crime Victimization Survey (1992-1998). Describing his findings on defensive gun use, in Armed: New Perspectives on Gun Control, New York:Prometheus Books (2001), Kleck writes: "In general, self-protection measures of all types are effective, in the sense of reducing the risk of property loss in robberies and confrontational burglaries, compared to doing nothing or cooperating with the offender. The most effective form of self-protection is use of a gun. For robbery the self-protection meaures with the lowest loss rates were among victims attacking the offender with a gun, and victims threatenting the offender with a gun. For confrontational burglarly, attacking with a gun had the second lowest loss rate of sixteen self-protection measures, bested only by another mode of armed self-protection, threatening the offender with a nongun weapon." (p. 291) "[W]hile defensive gun use is generally safe, it does not appear to be uniquely safe among self-protection methods as data from earlier NCVS data suggested. Nevertheless, there does not appear to be any increase in injury risk due to defensive gun use that counterbalances its greater effectiveness in avoiding property loss." (p. 292) (I am attaching a chart that shows the data of resistance against a threat to bodily harm.) Your response also states... "We’ve made significant investments in security technology in recent years, including increasing the number of digital surveillance cameras at our stores.With upgrades to security technology, we are able to provide police with high-resolution photographs and video of crime suspects." This is not a proactive measure... this is by definition a reactive measure in that cameras only record what is being done at a given time. It has no ability to intervene only document an occurrence. It is also fiscally cheaper to install both active and inactive cameras to deter possible criminal acts. However, they are only helpful at reducing shoplifting and more so... employee theft. An armed robbery is a very different situation, as I am sure we can agree on. There is a different motive, intent, and system of tools used. Not to mention that masks (such as the suspects in this incident were wearing) will negate any practical use of the cameras. My goal here is not waste your time Alicia. I realize I am but one person, one customer in a sea of many. My hope here is that perhaps, just perhaps this email might be forwarded up just a little. That you, or maybe someone else will think if just for a moment what a policy like this is really protecting. Certainly not the employees... rather a corporation from the irrational fear of a phantom wrongful death suit that corporate lawyers assure will come... but never has. Perhaps the real solution here is in the legislative branch. Perhaps the best way to protect both business and employees would be legislation that exempted employers from wrongful death suits where self defense is involved. If you have made it to the end of this email I again sincerely thank you for your time in reading this. However, I still feel strongly that Walgreens has acted rashly in firing this man. As I am sure you are aware there where many other HR tools at Walgreens disposal to handle this situation more fairly. It is very unfortunate that they did not. In closing I can only find myself supporting your employee's actions and finding great disappointment with Walgreen's actions at the same time. I also wonder what policy is in place if those two employee's had died. Would policy dictate that their widows be given finical compensation? Is Walgreen's policy that the District Manager would have went to both funerals, stood next to their widows... their children. I think we know the answer to both those questions. Walgreens would put up additional cameras, not bother with hiring armed security guards (too expensive) then a reasonable amount, perhaps $50 would be spent on flowers for each man's service. I can not in all good faith do business with a company that seems to hold such little regard for their employees lives. He suffered enough having a gun put to his head and his life threatened... he didn't need to be fired as well. At least his co-worker and co-worker's family was grateful. As of yesterday we have made arrangements to no longer use Walgreens for any reason. Again, thank you for your time and have a good day. Sincerely, xxxxxxx xxxxxxx

I will no longer purchase anything from Walgreens until Jeremy Hovan is reinstated and a apologized to. We spend a LOT of money on Diabetic supplies for my son... I can assure you they will not be coming from them. Not one alcohol pad, stick of gum, or bottle of water!! ------------ Snippet ------------- "BENTON TOWNSHIP (Michigan) - A photograph of four children tucked in a thank-you card from a coworker reminds Jeremy Hoven he did the right thing. But doing "the right thing" cost the night shift pharmacist his job at the Walgreens drugstore at Napier Avenue and M-139. The national pharmacy chain fired Hoven on Monday, eight days after he fired his handgun to foil an armed robbery and a potentially deadly hostage situation at the store." Link to full story... http://www.heraldpalladium.<wbr>com/articles/2011/05/18/local_<wbr>news/4820927.txt You can contact Walgreens Corporate here... http://www.walgreens.com/<wbr>topic/marketing/contactus/<wbr>default1.jsp?foot=contact_us Here is what I sent in to them... I am attaching a link to an article I just read concerning the termination of a night shift pharmacist who, legally armed, defended himself and a coworker from an armed robbery. <Link was inserted here> Currently all my family's medicines are purchased through Walgreens. That includes all my 14 year old's diabetic supplies (Novalog, Lantus, Pen Caps, syringes, test strips, etc.). Unfortunately after reading about your company's handling of this matter I can no longer do business with a company that will punish an employee for taking steps to protect himself and a coworker... especially in the light that after a previous armed robbery attempt no additional security procedures appear to have been instigated. I also feel compelled to express my frustration with your company's decision via email (including a link to the story) to all my friends, family and as well as friends we currently network with through our involvement with the JDRF (Juvenile Diabetes Research Foundation). I ask you to put yourself in this young man's place. With a gun in your face, which would you rather have... the training and a pistol... or your employer adding a couple more security cameras to capture what will be done to you? It is my hope that at a corporate level the action of terminating Jeremy Hoven will be revisited, that he will be fully reinstated and an apology will be made to him. Sincerely, xxxxxxx xxxxxxx

Yeaaaaaaaaaah... "Tactical Glitter". That's the ticket.

WOW! That is really sharp. Excellent job!

Same here with mine... toward the bottom of the box she'll start to hang up a bit. I do a quick scrub with a tooth brush, wipe, lube and go.

The SEAL that shot Osama in the head is now officially the Most Interesting Person in the World. "I don't always storm fortified compounds in foreign countries close to one of their military bases to kill terrorists that attacked my country... but when I do... I shoot the leader in the head. - Stay FREE my friend..."

For .22LR I saw this trick posted today on SayUncle. That is if you want them for a revolver.

Oh my goodness... that is beautiful!!!!

I have empty boxes of .357 sig speer lawman on my reloading shelf. The sticker price? $11.97, (bought back in 2000) The cheapest I can buy a box now off the shelf is $24 bucks at wal-mart. All prices rise... my only problem is over the past three years my pay has not been rising at the same rate. One reason I am reloading stuff again.

Sounds like I need to hurry and get my order in.

Okay... did some quick doodling this past weekend. (This is just a PROOF!! Not finished art!) Since everyone is still a little unsure about a name and all, I decided to go in a different direction than planned. Decided to keep it generic enough so I could pretty much change out the text to anything that was decided. I decided to try and keep it to main visual elements... but also try to keep it reminiansent of the state flag as well. "Zombie" + "Williamson County" + "Tenn" + "Kind of Official looking" Here is what I came up with. (I'll need to change the zombie one out with another for a final.) This would make it very easy for me to make different versions of color schemes when I went to make the final version in Illustrator. (Like Camo, Urban, desert, etc. if we wanted to throw together some patches and stuff.) Any hoo... what 'ya think? Heading in the right direction? Or waaaaay off base?

I have often read that the SA mil spec 1911 was a very good 1911 to buy and slowly modify. Really like seeing the pictures of it's evolution.

I like that color scheme.

For a name how about... "Williamson County Department of Zombie Management"? "WC DoZM" (pronounced wick' doz' em') for short. Hahahaha!! "Somebody's got to protect property values during a Zombie Apocalypse!"

Here is one I did for the T-Shirt of my son's Diabetic Walk Team. Now... what would be a good name?!? Hmmmmmmm....

Logo shouldn't be a problem. Need a good name first though... maybe something that was catchy as an acronym as well. Have to think about it a bit.

I'm in Williamson county myself. Work in Cool Springs area and live just west of there. I'm pretty much useless in a zombie situation. Just a general trigger puller. About all I can do is draw a little, and push pixels. (I have done a little zombie comic though.) Here's a quick little page I did for a friend's Horror Podcast. Still trying to find some time to get a HAM license at some point. I do like the idea of having our own air support "Armed Avaitor"!! Hahaha!!!

Maybe... I know if there is a knock at the door anytime at night my wife wakes me. Raccoon, dog, house creaking, clown holding an axe peering through the window, guy in a raincoat holding a pitchfork, etc. I get woke up. LOL!!

Something about this strikes me as odd about this when I read it too. Not a "Murder for hire" plot... but something maybe drugs or money related. Guy came to collect money or send a message... maybe buy something and the deal went south. The whole "opening the door a 3am" just strikes me as weird. "Honey... would you go get the door for me?" At 3AM?!?! I just can't help but think the guy who owns the house may have been up to a little something. I don't know... it just got my spider sense tingling. Interesting to see how this plays out.

Awesome!! Enjoy!