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Unfortunately, Tannerite is probably a bad idea, considering the nature of the range. I hope to make a trip to CMP's South Store prior to the shoot. I should have a Garand (and ammo, at cost) available to loan. I also have an M1 Carbine available, but you'll have to bring your own ammo - CMP is out. If anyone has a stuffed chipmunk they're willing to donate as a target, Mike might feel more at home...

18 April My place just outside Kingsport - PM if you need directions. Up to 100 yards, emphasis for this shoot will be on service rifle (Garand, AR's, M1 carbine), other mil-surps acceptable, but not required! Suggested that you bring a shooting mat (something to lay on for prone firing), and a dozen or more cans of tomato juice or equivalent as targets. Contest, both centerfire and rimfire rifle; Iron sights, timed, reactive targets (zombies masquerading as cans of tomato juice). Winner receives choice of lace-on GI type leather cheekpad, leather GI sling, or large bag of empty tomato juice cans, redeemable for valuable prizes at your local recycler. Special competition, 7 to 12 year olds, rimfire rifle (bring or borrow one from me - the rifle, not the kid). Extra cool prize for winner and runner up. Campers welcome before, during and after the shoot. Cookout on-site, I'll supply coleman stoves. Emphasis on fellowship, fun and safety.

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Why assume that giving up the second will keep you and your family well and whole? If past events are any guide, the loss of arms is soon followed by loss of other rights, harsh economic conditions, or genocide. The second wasn't put in the bill of rights because the founders enjoyed shooting skeet.

No. It sounds like a great idea, but it would be no time at all before the power-hungry figured out how to game the system. Much, much better, I think, would be term limits, and some way to control the bureaucracy.

Does no one do a ball and dummy drill anymore? You load the mag. Put 2 or 3 snapcaps (dummy rounds) in it randomly. She loads and shoots - when she pulls on a snapcap it will be very obvious - to her - what is happening. As she gets better, load fewer snapcaps.

What guns? We use kind words and hopenchange (.50s' rock, M249s not so much) No, we haven't run aground... Thats' not racist - it IS a big grey boat

You must be a party member if you want a party job, comrade.

With the White House taking 'personal control' of the census, we're done. Gerrymandering will ensure that the left has firm control of the house and senate - certainly for the rest of our lifetimes.

Thanks. No worries, though...

LMAO....

Anybody catch it this morning? Since they mentioned the name of the ship, and described the mission in general terms I guess I can tell you what we're up to - chasing pirates. It sounds a lot more exciting than it is, believe me. Well, that was our five minutes of fame, I suppose. So, anybody want to mail me a cutlass and a fancy hat?

"State of Disobedience" by Tom Kratman covers this situation nicely. As for states 'doing their own thing', they are doing that now. Constitutionally speaking, a CCW issued by any state should be honored by every other state. We know this isn't the case now - how do you figure it'll get worse? The tenth puts specific limits on federal abilities. It is why Prohibition required a constitutional amendment, because nowhere does the Constitution give the federal government the right to regulate substances. This changed with FDR, who packed the Supreme Court. The NFA doesn't allow the Feds the right to ban full-autos, it simply puts a tax on them. Frankly, if anyone were to go before a SCOTUS that could read the constition (which also states that the power to tax shall not be used to ban) then the 86 manufacture ban would go *poof* as being completely unconstitutional. The mechanism that Congress and ATF use to prevent the manufacture and registration of full-autos is refusing to accept and process the required taxes for issuing the tax stamp. Illegal as heck. So nowadays, the tenth is honored more in the breach than in fact. It is why all the BS that congress enacts as legislation includes a finding that the subject of the legislation affects interstate commerce. About the only right granted the Feds that has any real impact on the states is the right to regulate interstate commerce. Federal gun control laws? Enacted because the firearm "moves in interstate commerce". Controlled substances? Controlled because they "move in interstate commerce". To ban whiskey required a constitutional amendment 80 years ago, yet today banning "assault weapons", growing tobacco, or regulating cold medicines is done at the whim of the congress because it "moves in interstate commerce". By all means, enforce the tenth amendment! Force congress to jump through the constitutionally mandated hoops required of it. They won't, though, and this New Hampshire legislation is just spitting in the wind - a notice, if you will, that they've had enough of the BS.

My 'tactical' shotguns have wood furniture. Works as well, or better than, plastic. Won't break as easily, and provides more mass, in the event my gun becomes a club. When I get home, I'll be re-finishing an HD shotgun stock using Fairtrimmers Ox. Gives it a non-shiny, old-style military finish. http://www.fairtrimmers.com/ (Okay, I'll confess that first, I like the look of wood better anyway, and second, it is pretty difficult to find plastic furniture for an 1897 Winchester - but the reason given above is still valid) Choate makes a well regarded mag extension http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=289342 If you want practical/cheap, a decent LED flashlight and a short length of bicycle innertube work well. Last gunshow I attended, I picked up a reasonably bright multi-LED flashlight with a built-in laser for 10 bucks. If you want Tactical Ted, there are more off-the-shelf solutions than I have available fingers and toes to count. While you have it apart for cleaning, suggest you use Berryhills Ultimate Lube for all sliding metal surfaces. It's the bee's knee's for lubrication. http://www.berryhillguns.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=17:latest-news&catid=7:whats-new

Daniel; Community Reinvestment Act, A Carter era time-bomb. Clinton lit the fuse. http://www.city-journal.org/html/10_1_the_trillion_dollar.html Obama was a lawyer for (wait for it).... ACORN, which filed suit against banks it felt were 'redlining' (refusing to provide enough hi-risk mortgages) in 'certain' communities. You might say that they tossed the bomb at the banks. http://article.nationalreview.com/print/?q=NDZiMjkwMDczZWI5ODdjOWYxZTIzZGIyNzEyMjE0ODI= Barney Franks' boyfriend cooked the books at Fanny Mae while Barney pushed to allow Fanny Mae to take on more and higher risk mortgages. Fanny and Freddy provided banks with a buyer for really, really risky notes, then turned around and sold those notes to investors as grade-A risks. When Republican senators wanted to audit/regulate the mess, Franks and other Dem's screamed racism and fought it tooth and nail. You might say that he kept the Republican bomb squad out of the building until it was too late. http://www.businessandmedia.org/articles/2008/20080924145932.aspx http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122091796187012529.html?mod=googlenews_wsj The meltdown on Wall Street was triggered by the bursting of the housing bubble, which caused a lot of that 'grade-A' paper to be de-rated. QED. OhShoot, I remember reading, in the early '70's, about the horrible dangers that overpopulation posed. By now we were all supposed to be using oxygen masks to breathe, amid the polluted desert wasteland that would occur. It worried me greatly for years, and thus I find it annoying now. I note 2 pertinent facts - the green party, sierra club, San Francisco genius that published this crap later had better than half a dozen kids, and the terminal population limit his 'proven theory' posited was passed in the early '80's. Where the theory really falls apart is so simple, some people seem to miss it. Humans are not lemmings. We are capable of adjusting our environment. Today, in this country, we over-produce to such an extent that farmers are paid not to grow food, and Mickey D's finds it economical to pre-cook that Quarter Pounder, and toss it out if it isn't sold in an hour or three. Energy is our Achilles' Heel. Thankfully, we have plenty of coal, and there is always nuclear power.

Socialism in this country dates from the '20's. In the 30's, FDR turned a 'burst bubble' on Wall Street (and it needed to burst!) into a long term depression through instituting socialist policies, and used it to fuel his successful attack on the Constitution and Supreme Court. Obama is trying to do the same thing with the economic stimulus package and its' incredible growth of socialist goals. This recession was designed, engineered and built by democrats - socialists. The housing market bubble? It was inflated by Clinton, Obama, and Frank. I won't say that their goal was to recreate the conditions of the '30's, perhaps it was simple greed and blind stupidity. The riots the writer mentioned are rooted in either islam, or socialist 'proles' unable to deal with the (inevitable) failure of their government/financial system. Riots based on islam in this country (riots, as opposed to protests) would be brief, violent, and entertaining - for us. The financial bedrock of this country isn't government - yet, although Obama is trying hard to make it so. If the recession is allowed to take its' natural course, we will recover in 3 to 5 years. If this bailout (don't kid yourself, if this one goes through there will inevitably be more) is passed, within 10 years our GDP will drop drastically, and our standard of living will drop. That happens to be the opinion of the Congressional Budget Office, by the way... Government crowds out free enterprise and capitalism... Freedom and government are mutually incompatible. It is tolerable - if kept on a short leash. The bailout isn't (yet) a done deal, and the writer is simply encouraging an atmosphere of panic, attempting to convince us to drop that leash.

Not to contribute to thread drift, but is there such a thing as a fresh twinkie? I thought they were like moon pies, which apparently have a shelf life exceeding that of most shelves.

Dave, drop me a pm if you end up wanting mags for it. I've got 40 or 50 tucked away.

Congress today passed a bill expanding the State Children's Health Insurance Program, or SCHIP, allocating an additional $32.8 billion in funding for the program over the next four and a half years. President Barack Obama plans to sign the bill into law in a White House ceremony later this afternoon. Yet one of Obama's campaign promises -- the "Sunlight Before Signing" pledge -- was that he would not sign any non-emergency bills without offering the public five days to review and comment on the legislation. The measure, which passed the House by a vote of 290-135, including 40 Republicans supporting it, calls for a 62-cent increase in the federal tax on cigarettes, bringing the total tax to $1 per pack. Jointly financed by federal and state governments, SCHIP currently insures about 7.4 million children. The new bill will help states insure an additional 4 million kids. The House adopted the Senate's version of the bill which passed last week, one that closely hews to the SCHIP reauthorization bills that former President Bush vetoed in 2007. The version that passed today strips a controversial clause that would have banned physician self-referral to hospitals in which they have an ownership interest. This is the second bill that Obama will sign without allowing the public a full five days to review the legislation. Last week, Obama signed the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act only two days after final passage in the House. SCHIP bill vetoed by President Bush insured 'kids' up to 24 years old, making up to 89,000 a year. Also extended state health insurance to illegal aliens.

I think you can order it by the case on those late-night infomercials... Al Gore invented Global Warming. He just stole credit for the internet.

JM, if you can hold off two months.... Come up to Kingsport, bring your kid sister. We'll ask other shooters to bring likely firearms for her to try. I've got several .32ACP's and a .38 that might fit the bill... I don't own any 9 minimals, but I'm sure that some of the folks likely to show up do. Even a couple of compact .45's to try - you never know.

That the Norinco copy of the Ithaca 37? If so, comments on quality?

Although it is advertised as such, only a fraction of the money is going into 'infrastructure'. Most of it is just a transfer of wealth to the politically connected, or to the favorite causes and groups of the far, far left. Reading the details, you might get the idea that this is just a public mugging of the taxpayer. The majority of the jobs that are 'created' are expansions of federal government departments, or creation of new ones. A lot of it is expansion of welfare, tax return checks for people who don't pay taxes to start with, nationalized healthcare, things that could never get passed if they weren't hidden in the details.... Some of it is just flat out graft - 14 million for "travel expenses and per diem" for 1 year, for 5 people the president picks. http://readthestimulus.org/

I'd pass, personally, but then I've always had an irrational prejudice against pot metal.