Mark@Sea

Offhand I can think of a dozen actors that left hollywood to fight in WWII. Those guys voluntarily left big money careers and scads of adoring, beautiful women to go fight in the mud. Those guys were heroes. These guys are pansies that look good on the screen. Lee Marvin vs Jack Bauer?

Ramsey seems to be a clear choice. As for Haslam, well, I can respect a man who is committed to his beliefs, even if I disagree with them. Haslam is a classic demonstration of "politically expedient" behaviour. I've got no use for a weasel.

Tripwire treaty

I've been the victim of a home invasion. From the time they came through the front door to the time they were literally in my face was maybe 3 seconds (it was a small apartment). They took the time to knock my apartment mate cold with a pipe or wrench on the way. I had enough time to reach into the closet and pick up the pistol lying on the shelf. I did NOT have time to rack the shotgun. As soon as I grabbed the pistol I swung around to see the guy rearing back his wrench to clobber me; he was maybe a foot away. Lesson learned from that little incident - have a gun within reach. Not in the closet, not on the nightstand in the bedroom, but holstered or within arms reach. I do have some HD shotguns at home, and if I have the time to get to one, great. Safety on, shell chambered . Sometimes (split) seconds count. Don't count on having time. No teenagers at home; friends and family know that calling ahead is the polite thing to do anyway. If you can't call ahead, it'd be wise to yell out. Louis L'amour once wrote that a man that shot at unexpected noises may not have many friends, but he damn sure had no enemies.

Urp, sorry, that'd be Titan14. At this point, not sure I will make it up this weekend. If I do, I'll give you a call Friday afternoon.

Best wishes

Any TGO'ers wanting a little range time after the show Saturday are welcome to come over to my place... I'll have to head back to Charleston Sunday around noon. Just call the house or PM me or get with TNTitan.

If I can make it home this weekend, I'll go Saturday. If I do, I'll have a very nice M1A on my shoulder and some 20 round mags. Will be looking for 1400 w/5 GI mags or swap for a rebuilt Dodge 230CI L head 6

Low cost but good quality recommendations Pardner Pump - all metal 870 clone. Works well as is, 20 minutes with emery cloth and a good grease will make it slick as you could like. Maverick 88. If plastic stocks don't bother you, nothing wrong with this one. Mossberg finally put the safety on the trigger guard, which was my big hangup with the 500 (safety on the back of the receiver) Pawnshops. Cosmetically challenged but mechanically sound shotguns abound, are inexpensive, and can be made suitable for home defense. For not terribly much more, you can get an IAC version of the 870 that comes with a riot barrel and good peep sights (contact the Gun Depot for more info on these, they are on this forum). Pretty decent guns. Realistically, while purpose-built riot guns are nice looking, if you need 8 rounds of 12 gauge, something is terribly, terribly wrong. Looking at online sites that collect self-defense stories, shotguns usually resolve the situation with 1 or 2 rounds if fired at all. My preferred HD shotguns hold 5 or 6. Frankly, very little needs to be done that cannot still be done with a good coach gun, as long as you've had practice.

I thank you, and my wallet thanks you, for not posting it here first. Dangit. If you decide to refinish it, shoot me a PM and I will hook you up with a guy that does very very nice work. Personally, if it were reasonably tight I'd clean it and carry as is, but thats' just me.

I've shot literally tens of thousands of reloads through a 1911. I'm fond of a hard crimp, and plated or jacketed bullets (cause cleaning is so much less of a pain than with lead). Nothing else to contribute to this, as most everybody has mentioned setback as either a primary cause or contributing factor.

Yeah. If your bore looks like 9 miles of bad road - pits that look like craters - then they used corrosive and didn't clean it. If it cleaned up okay, no pitting, then they're just regular grade numbskulls, instead of super-duty rated. 'Green and Blue' is a normal indication. Rust is abnormal. I'd have words with them if it were mine. Really short words. If the bore is pitted, make sure to clean the rest of the rifle, especially the bolt face.

Another quote from the 'gentleman' in question: "I just like to beat the hell out of conservative @&&holes". Yeah, he needs a spanking.

Now go get some nerf guns and practice clearing the house in the dark

"I got three shermans outside" "A sherman can give you a very nice... edge."

Actually, if you follow the money, it doesn't go anywhere near "solving the problem". Instead, its' kind of like foreign aid for corporations in China, India, Russia, Nigeria... well, pretty much everywhere. Only its' financed by American corporations and citizens. Al Gore gets a cut of it by acting as a brokerage for 'carbon credits'. Now, carbon has pretty much nothing to do with the process. Various formulae are used to determine how many 'credits' are given to a corporation in, say, India. More of these credits are given to certain private institutions for promotion of 'global warming' awareness. In Als' (and Obamas) ideal world, a corporation in the US (lets' say a power co-op, an auto maker, or a refinery) that wants to produce anything that can be 'connected' to CO2 production will have to purchase those credits from the foreign corporation/institution. The CO2 limits were supposed to be set at Copenhagen. This would have put an artificial cap on a wholly imaginary commodity. This would, of course, induce a hike on the cost of these 'credits'. Who makes out? Well, third world tinpots, corporations (such as the one the head of the UN climate crowd is paid by), Al G, through commissions on both the buying and selling of this 'commodity', and the idiots in the US who get to feel better. Who pays? We do, directly and indirectly. As a bonus, the UN is handed control of the economic thermostat for every country that signs onto this bushwa. Not one cent would go to, say, three engineers in Texas who have found cheap, easy ways to create a massive carbon sink, or anyone in aerospace who figured out that the quickest way to cool the earth would be to explode a few tons of any dark, dusty material in low orbit. This whole scam isn't about the weather. Its' about money and power, and giving the UN the ability to directly tax Americans. I've pretty much given up on 'true believers' at this point. I pretty much just laugh and point. They didn't use facts to reach the position they hold, so it isn't possible to use facts to get them to change their position.

What, OS, you haven't kept up with Mikes' ninja chipmunk threads?

Valuable conclusions to be drawn here, and dirt cheap at the price! Most dogs are pets. I don't pet watchdogs, I don't expect pets to do more than bark, if that. You need a (preferably, very bright) flashlight next to your pistol. Make it a 'dedicated' flashlight so it doesn't end up left under the sink with dead batteries. Some good slip-on shoes might be helpful, too. You and your wife really need to have a clear understanding of what each is going to do. Stay in the bedroom or right beside you, either is fine - but surprise meetings, esp. in the dark, when you aren't expecting it - or more accurately, when you are expecting/fearing an intruder - is bad. Make sure she gets this. You might explain why her turning on the lights behind you is a bad idea, too.... Critique isn't criticism, I think things turned out very well. These are just some suggestions that might help insure that outcome.... Best Mark Edit: Geez, there were no replies when I started to type this. Guess I need a faster connection or faster fingers. Anyway, seems to be a pretty common set of comments.... GMTA and all that And a post-script; Cellphone is great to have at hand (landline, not so much), but don't worry about it until after the incident is resolved. If you're involved in calling 911 - which cannot respond quickly enough to be of any real use - you aren't paying enough attention to your environment. People can't drive and make phone calls at the same time.

I wish you weren't on the other end of the state. I've got a first series woodsman in the cabinet I'd loan you. It is the hands-down best choice because of the light recoil, good sights, light weight and unusually slim frame and grips. Unfortunately Colt stopped making them about 70 years ago. When my wife (she of small stature and hands) first decided to learn to shoot, she picked out a new browning .22 at the funshop. It ended up not getting shot very much, as the frame and weight were uncomfortable for her. (Things change, she now carries a .38 snubby). A few months later I picked up the woodsman - the minute she picked it up it was "hers". I understand the sig mosquito has a fairly small grip, compared to other modern .22's - but keep in mind that if the first experience is a pleasant one, they're much more likely to want to keep it up. First and always, the four rules. Second, the manual of arms for whatever they're shooting. They need to be comfortable with how to operate it, how to check it/make it safe. Minor malfunction drills; for example, if it stovepipes, it doesn't mean its' broken, and this is what you do to clear it. Once they've got this down pat, they can effectively concentrate on marksmanship. Until they do, though, I've found that new shooters tend to be so involved mentally with the mechanical details (with autos, revolvers are pretty much point-n-click) that they tend to lapse on marksmanship and sometimes safety. Do lots and lots of dryfire drills at home if you can! Best Mark Edit: The right age is a judgement call... I've seen 6 year olds I'd be fine with on the range, I've seen some 20-somethings I would not want to be within a mile of....

Mike, you're a top-strap snob. Why not suggest one of the topless gals?

C96. That's about as different as it gets. Uh, did you mean new new?

Re-reading this thread, I realized I may need to make an apology. Muttling, I didn't mean to imply you were an idiot as a child. Just ran across a fascinating tidbit - those tree ring samples (mis)used to show the earth is undergoing unprecedented warming? Came from 30 miles north of the arctic tree line. Must have been those walking trees I saw in some movie... Yeah, that's it - the trees were walking north to stay cooler! Proof of global warmening, or an idiots' theory? You decide...

Records go back to 1871 Knoxville climate normals and records Lowest monthly average temps for the months of October, November, and December were recorded in 1875, 1872 and 1876, respectively. Highest monthly averages for those months were in 1919, 1985, and 1889. I'll say it again, Global Warming is about climate like Gun Control is about crime. Feewings, nuffin more than feewings...

You should have plenty left over, actually. Calispendia is so broke it isn't funny. Edit: Dang it, Lagerhead beat me to the punch...

Okay, it was cold when you were a kid. It's cold now. This is because the earth is heating up. Somewhere. Riiight. Gaia has a "tempature". Ignore contradictory evidence, whitewash proven scientific malpractice, gloss over computer models that, besides contradicting the second law of thermodynamics, can't predict a month in advance (or even agree with previously collected data). Absolve any possible profit motive to the "high priests" of global warming, despite proven links to commercial activities fundamentally involved in making a profit on cap and tax. Ignore the hundreds of scientists who disagree. Forget about the raw data that was "adjusted" to fit the theory. Denial. Yep, its' a real hoot.