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The question just prior was about small farms and State regulation of sale of "unprocessed" products such as milk and meat. You will notice that the question about The Tennessee Firearms Freedom Act was a repeat of our meeting in Jackson, he did not know what it was about in February, and has not taken the opportunity to invest himself with any knowledge relative to that issue in the ensuing period. In Jackson, he opined as to how the BATFE had already declared it unconstitutional. On a separate note, if any members know of a way to post the entire meeting to the web, I would be grateful. YouTube limits playback to 10 minutes, I would love to post the whole thing at once so as to not limit his inflection and sequence of the issues.

I am new to all this camera and You Tube stuff, so yes, I know the audio is pretty low, but if you have external speakers, you can get it up where you can hear it. I will use a different mic next time. First question is about Restaurant Carry Bill. Next is relating to Tennessee firearms Freedom Act. I will cut the rest of the meeting up and post as time allows, You tube only lets you load 10 minutes at the time, and his stump speech is the majority of the deal, but to be fair, I will post it all. These are the important ones, and as we got into the firearms issues, he ran short of time. Again, to be fair, he said at the outset he had to leave to go to Chattanooga, and could only stay around 30 minutes.

Mine is up and running again as well.

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Don't bother attempting to contact Ms. Jackson, either by phone or e-mail, you'll just waste your time. The regulatory process expressly forbids EPA to consider any comment, petition or letter on a requested or proposed rulemaking that isn't submitted through the docket process. Be aware that this is simply a petition for EPA to consider, it's not a rulemaking in and of itself, nor even a proposed rule. Here is the petition and attachement: http://www.epa.gov/oppt/chemtest/pubs/ABC%20Lead%20petition%20cover%20letter%2008%2003%202010.pdf http://www.epa.gov/oppt/chemtest/pubs/Petition%20Attachment.pdf EPA acknowledged receiving the petition on August 18: http://www.epa.gov/oppt/chemtest/pubs/EPA%20Letter%20of%20Receipt_Pb%20sec%2021%20petition_8.18.10.pdf Here's the link to submit a comment directly: Regulations.gov Or you can go to <!-- w -->www.regulations.gov<!-- w --> and enter the search term "EPA-HQ-OPPT-2010-0681"

In the Constitution, there is only this relative to religion, Article VI decries a prohibition on religious tests as a condition for holding public office. In the Bill of Rights however, The First Amendment prohibits the federal government from making a law "respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof". And that bunch of extremist from the Westboro Baptist Church who picket the funerals of our fallen soldiers deserve exactly the same protection from the government on their actions that the Muslims do on this issue. The Imam who is pushing this is a Wahabist, and Islam is a theocracy, not a religion. Sharia Law lies in the wake of this dreadnought.

JayC, I agree with your logic completely, I guess I made my point poorly. I think Obama's push to make sure it gets built as a exactly the wrong thing to do. I do think his support of it is in the best interest of the country, as it tears the veil, and shows what his intentions truly are. I have no problem with the free exercise of Religion, but placing a standard of conquest on the site of Ground Zero is a different thing entirely. Let the People handle it, keep the Feds out completely.

And Catholics and Protestants have the same right. What would be the result if the Para's blew up Notre Dame and purchased some part of the ruins and wanted to build a Presbyterian Church on the site of Touchdown Jesus? It would be legal, but would it be prudent?

In a personal interview with McWherter in front of 40+ people at the Old Country Store in Jackson last June: 1. Stated his belief that gun registration was a necessity, (Quote, "How else can the Police keep up with gun crime") and honestly believed it was in force in TN, as he informed us his new "Judge" was registered when he purchased it. 2. Stated his support of Obama Care. 3. Believes the various States have no standing to initiate the various Firearms Freedom Acts. Actually stated that the BATFE had already declared the Tennessee Firearms Freedom Act as Unconstitutional, even though he is a lawyer, and should know that SCOTUS has that position and responsibility. 4. Would have vetoed the Guns in Restaurants Bill. 5. Would have vetoed the Carry in Parks Bill.

Yeah, early as well, as Old Goat and I work for the same outfit, we all knew we would be out of town.

Guess I should consider my self lucky. I enjoy the position of being the Co. Armorer as well as designated carry guy. When we do a sales call, the Owner of my firm always ask if I am armed when we head out, just to be sure.

I do know that we need to re-assert our Rights as granted by both the Federal and State Constitutions. I also know that they have been infringed. It is up to the individual Citizens to take steps to restore them.

Tennessee does not totally ignore the Right, the Legislature has Powers granted by the People to regulate the wearning of arms with a view to prevent crime. Any person who is not precluded by law, i.e. convicted felons, the mentally challenged, those convicted of DUI infractions, and those who refuse to honor their obligations to their children or are under orders of a court can, if they so choose and desire, obtain permission to carry on their person a handgun, otherwise, no Citizen who passes the restrictions can be denied the ability to own a firearm. A handful of restrictions does not equate to a total ignoring of the 2nd Amendment. The "special People" are those who CANNOT own a firearm in Tennessee. It is not the States that ignore the "Right to Bear Arms", it is the People IN the States that ignore that. The States count on the People to be sheep, and to allow a few to rule the rest. If more of the People understood the true nature of the Constitution, and what it really speaks to, and held their State Legislatures to the standard that exist, then the Feds nor the States would be able to hoodwink the People and usurp the Powers they do not really have. As long as one Citizens says to the next "We must let the government (of any nature) do as they will!" we are doomed to servitude. If the general public believes we must allow the Feds their way, it will continue to use us as the kind of bags of energy so aptly displayed in the Matrix. Mr. Smith may in fact show up at my door, but I refuse to lay down and take his opinion any more without challenge. The way to change this is to become involved in the political process on a local level, get to know the people you send to the State Legislature on an intimate level. Find and support the right kind of candidates, then hold them accountable for their actions. Put anti-Federalist in the office of Governor, elect responsible persons to the Federal Legislature. Follow the example of our Founders and get some skin in the game. I may not be on the winning side of any campaign this year, but it will not be because I was disinterested.... Only an individual can have a Right. Governments are invested with Powers granted by the will of an amalgamation of individuals. Governments have duties, and are to be limited in their actions by the Citizens they serve. Until that is once again understood by the populace, we will continue to slide to a totalitarian form of repression at the hands of ruling elite who would be the masters of all they survey, and if we allow it to happen, it is our own fault. The Federal Government can only take what we allow them to have.

Calling something one thing when it is something else is a trick of the Progressives, Comprehensive Immigration Reform=Amnesty for example. A basic understanding of the difference seems germane to the discussion. The Federal Constitution is a list of Powers granted to the government by the People. The 10th Amendment states the restrictions, unless the Powers are enumerated in the Constitution, (or specifically taken from the States by the Federal Constitution) the Federal government is bereft of the Power to control an issue, it is left to the States, and in the case of a lack of enumeration in the State Constitutions, to the People. Meaning, that the Legislators of the various States are responsible to resolve any question not specifically listed in the Constitution, or the various Amendments. This Republic is supposed to be a Government of the People, and by the People. When the People get lazy and fail to establish their authority, you wind up with what we have now. The President and all legislators are to be SERVANTS of the People. The Founders understood that Democracy equals mob rule, and set forth a map by which the rules would work in favor of the People, not a ruling elite. That is why the numbers required to add an Amendment are set where they are, 2/3 majority of both Houses of the Fed. Legislature to put forth an Amendment, and then 3/4 majority of the State Legislatures to ratify, (or a called Constitutional Convention by 2/3 of the State Legislatures) which still requires a 3/4 majority of the State Legislatures or Conventions to ratify. The Federal gov. is supposed to operate at the behest of the various States, however, the Bill of Rights, and the various Amendments which speak to Rights of the People are to be forever inviolate. There is but one mention of the word "Right" in the Federal Constitution, and it is used to prevent the Federal Gov. from trampling on the individual. Rights are listed in the Amendments to the Constitution. The Constitution is a list of chains place on the Federal government by the People, and the Amendments are a listing of Rights of the People, guarantees against the government intruding on those God given, and important enough to be listed, Rights. It is important that the least of us understand the difference.

States have no Rights, they have Powers. People have Rights. No governmental entity has any Rights, they simply have Powers granted by the will of the governed, be that City, County, State or Federal Governments.

On this point I disagree, there is in fact an economic war under way, against each of us who has a job. The escalation of "taking" our money through taxes to redistribute to the couch laying crowd is under way, and the present administration is the driving force behind that. We will have to wait till next April to see the extent, as there is no clear picture of the damage done by killing the Bush Tax cuts, and the charges for health care that are about to erupt like a boil on the collective hinney of the populace. Then there is the rape to come with the lame duck congress after November, hide and watch.

That is the great thing about the United States, we each get to have an opinion.

Ramsey sponsored and carried the HCP Bill in Tennessee as a freshman Senator, along the line of "Gun friendly, when gun friendly wasn't cool".

Seek and ye shall find. First, I suggest that you research what the TFA is. Second, I suggest you contact any of the Senators or Representatives that have been instrumental in the writing and passing of Gun Rights initiatives in the State of Tennessee over the course of the last couple of years, and ask if they know what, and who the TFA is. Then I would respectfully ask that you check and see which organization donated the most money to STATE legislators re: 2nd Amendment issues in 2010. Ask the State Senators and Representatives, City Council members from the Jackson area, the Mayors of Jackson and Madison County, the Jackson Chief of Police and Madison County Sheriff if any of them know the TFA. Find out which municipality of any size first defeated the MTAS fostered denial of the ability of HCP holders to carry in a City park, and what entity was responsible for raising the necessary opposition. See which group was instrumental in defeating a MTAS sponsored initiative to reinstate a 15 day waiting period for handgun purchase, as well as denying individual firearms transfers of any type without permission of the Chief of Police, along with the requirement that an FFL be involved. All this from an all volunteer organization, where no member or official is paid a single cent for their efforts on behalf of gun owners or sportsmen.

It has been exposed that Haslam donated to Jim Cooper's Campaign in 2002, Campaign Finance - Money, Political Finance, Campaign Contributions, as well as personal donation supporting Al Gore in 1988, CQ MoneyLine Search Results . So much for a "Conservative" agenda.

Add to the TFA endorsement, at least 20 State wide Tea Party entities doing the same: Tennessee Tea Party

Hopefully, the first pebble in the landslide? JACKSON COUNTY, WS DISTRICT ATTORNEY

Don't forget both versions of the "Cash for Clunkers" Bills.

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