Worriedman

Passed the House yesterday, 79 "ayes".

Get different local tyrants.

If so, I fail to see the humor in it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJ6ml6bRJJE

Yesterday they said that there was not fiscal impact, today they turn around and say there will, by DOS Safety Policy, be a charge of $100,000.00 as they will reprint the permit cards to read "concealed carry" only.  Seems anything they can do to kill this bill is going to be used.

I popped the thread up in the "Hive", so confused these days on where to post...

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/04/09/suspect-in-custody-after-reports-multiple-stabbings-at-pennsylvania-school/   Evidently the bad guys don't just use those nasty old guns...   From the article:    

Don't worry folks, unless a bunch of people light up the phone lines over the next few days, there is no chance this is going to get on the House floor. Bill and Beth have decried it dead. It may prove the end for Charles Sargent though, he has a real competitor in the primary, who has some money, and this time his carrying the water for Haslam will get noticed.

Same thing as thread on Van Huss HB2409/Beavers SB2424, Harwell gave orders to roll to last committee day even though Van Huss was there to present, effectively killing the bill.  If it wound up on the floor for consideration it would have passed like in the Senate 25-2, can't have that from the supposed conservative supermajority.

Senate passes 2424 25-2, HB 2409 got rolled to the heal of the calender in the House, where Chairman Mike Harrison arbitrarily rolled the bill to the last calender of the session, along with HB 2087 by Van Huss (anti electronic surveillance bill) even though Van Huss as in attendance and ready to present.  Old Jimmy Naifeh ploy to kill an unwanted bill.    The Establishment, keeping firearms issues off the floor and limiting votes so the constituents can not see the facts and Big Business gets what it wants since supermajority came into being.

I get where you stand on the issues that are simply not involved with SB 2424, and I don't care, you can think whatever you want to about them, they do not bear on the subject of the thread.   I do however understand the intent of the 10th Amendment, and it limits the federal government from involving itself in issues that were not specifically apportioned it by the States, (it is after all the United States of America).  If our GA members would simply uphold their oath, we would not have the laws that prohibit the enjoyment of our Rights as designed.  Currently Fed Ex, Amazon and the Chamber have far more to say about what our TCA Code is than the Constitution does.

  So "Political Necessity" is the standard by which you allow a faction of the feds to "overreach' on issues involving States Rights, you agree with the Democrats on gay marriage, how about illegal immigration? Not talking about border actions, simply how a State reacts to a non Citizen being in their jurisdiction, maybe if they move into your house, you would be cool with that, not an individual issue, belongs to the feds?   If you agree with the Democrats doing the "right" thing on gay marriage, are you in agreement with their stance on voter ID disallowment to protect their voter base, (with a stroke of the pen they pretty much can do what ever they want, proven time and again) I see it as simply you are eligible to vote, or you are not. Kind of off base to the OP's topic actually, and on this one I have a decent stance. I see the 2nd Amendment as the federal government not infringing on the Right of the People to keep and bear military grade arms, the People of TN ratified the TN Constitution which says the GA can regulate the wearing of them, not the federal government, hence the interest in the aforementioned piece of legislation.

Does not bother them related to marriage, or immigration, or voter ID... 

  Papa, as the law stands now, concealed or open carry is a crime, this would simply relegate only concealed carry to needing a permit.  Like many other States, open carry would not require a permit.  

Worth a look see, this one is scheduled for floor vote in the Senate next week, s/c Finance, Ways and Means in House. Looking at the Amendment which makes the bill, DO NOT be fooled by the names on the Amendments, Kelsey and Lundberg DID NOT write them, we are looking at "flow" which means that the GA is trying to get into pick-pocket mode, and any one can add an amendment, had they been timely filed, they would have gone to the committees chaired by the names on the Amendment.   Bill summary:   http://wapp.capitol.tn.gov/apps/billinfo/BillSummaryArchive.aspx?BillNumber=SB2424&ga=108   Amendment:   http://www.capitol.tn.gov/Bills/108/Amend/SA1043.pdf Redo on the Fiscal Note: http://www.capitol.tn.gov/Bills/108/Fiscal/SB2424.pdf   Word is, there is a fair chance this could pass in the Senate, does not cure all, but is for sure a step in the right direction.   Tune those phones up, if nothing else, we need to support Sen. Kelsey's fine work...(sarcasm off)

Not quite the same, but close: When the same man, or set of men, holds the sword and the purse, there is an end of liberty.--George Mason

Here is a quote from the same lady:   How a politician stands on the Second Amendment tells you how he or she views you as an individual… as a trustworthy and productive citizen, or as part of an unruly crowd that needs to be lorded over, controlled, supervised, and taken care of.--Dr. Suzanna Gratia-Hupp

I normally agree with your take on most issues, but on this one, I disagree.  I propose that if there was a vote on gun rights issues, we would see basically the percentage that elected Haslam in the last governor's race go for the ability to keep, bear and wear arms, about the same number that voted to approve the hunting and fishing amendment in that same plebiscite.  The Volunteer State is still more rural than citified, and as such I believe we would carry the issue in favor of firearms Rights.

If Holder's outfit is telling on a few Democrats right now, how many sheets are they about to roll out on Republicans in Mid October??

And you think contacting Alexander and Corker will do any good?

He was just trying to set up a Police State somewhere...most Liberals are big proponents of such.

“I have always tried to stay flexible enough that if [an income tax] has support, then I certainly would be able to support it.” -Beth Harwell. The Tennessean, 2/8/02   Don't forget Rep. Steve McDaniel, Deputy Speaker of the House, member of the Original Naifeh Eight, all in favor of the State Income Tax,

Well as we have no real pro firearms laws either, I am not too impressed.  The status quo has you as a criminal when you step outside your personal property with a loaded firearm, and that is just your brick and mortar.

We have no advocates in the legislature.