Worriedman

Specifically Sen. Brian Kelsey and House Member Jon Lundberg, (currently running to fill Ron Ramsey's open seat in the Senate. Lundberg as a member of the House civil Justice sub committee killed more good gun bills with the assistance of Jim coley and Mike Carter than any other individuals in the General Assembly).

Mississippi does not have Bill Haslam, Beth Harwell, Brian Kelsey and Ron Ramsey.

Can't have that, the Chamber of Commerce, Sheriff's Association, Police Chief's Association and UT would get the vapors...why allowing the permitted little people to carry just everywhere would lead to blood in the dorms and stadiums, positively unconscionable.

Why not make Stop Signs black then if color does not matter.  The Bill sponsors wanted the signs "conspicuous".

Senate Judiciary Committee 1                                                      Amendment No. 1 to SB0774                                                                         Kelsey                                                            Signature of Sponsor   AMEND Senate Bill No. 774                                                              House Bill No. 682*   by deleting from subdivision [b] [3] [B] in the amendatory language of Section 1 the word "red" wherever it appears . AND FURTHER AMEND by deleting from subdivision [b] [2] [B] in the amendatory language of Section 1 the language "a black image" and substituting instead the language "an image".   AND FURTHER AMEND by deleting Section 2 in its entirety and substituting instead the language: SECTION 2. This act shall take effect July 1, 2016, the public welfare requiring it. Our friend Chairman Kelsey deleted the "red" requirement for the image as well

Just for clarification, how much time do you spend at LP?  Committee Chairmanships appear to be highly sought after :dirty: .  If you think leadership does not hand these out, you are fooling yourself, case in point Sen. Mae Beavers was excommunicated from the Judiciary committee because she was "not a team player" according to Ramsey, and Mr. "the supremacy clause trumps the 10th Amendment put in her place.

Give me a shot to carry at the Tennessee Legislature, even if I can not keep it any apartment I rent around the LP...

You get none (opportunities) that do not benefit Leadership.   Current Leadership must be changed to change any of the limits currently placed on your Rights.

They must have had mud in their eye when overlooking West Virginia, passed right to Work and Constitutional Carry, overriding their pusillanimous governor on both issues. I threw up a little in my mouth when I saw "The Supremacy Clause trumps the 10th Amendment" Kelsey accepting that "award".

Kelsey had the stage stacked against us, there were those in the room who had the mental capacity and rhetoric to push back against Harris, Kelsey just let the State Police run, and called no one else to rebut, Green is guilty of that as well.  A Black man protectiung a Jim Crow law, does not get any weirder than that. It was a done deal before the gavel rapped down to open the kabuki theater that is the Judiciary Committee. Kelsey needed to be able to vote for the bill,his aspirations to higher office more important than Stevens run to get re-elected (he has no primary opponent, yet...), simple vote swap.  Haslam did not want the bill passed, it did not pass.

Afraid that would be outside the caption of the bill.

Todd Gardenhire (pass) and John Stevens (No) went full "Establishment" on the bill. Is actually a 4-4 with one abstention tie.  It could come back, depending just how bad certain members ot he Judiciary want to be successful in moving on up... You expect that out of Overeby... Kerry Roberts did a great job pushing back against the DOS hacks and TBI, Mark Green as well.

Today in the Tennessee Senate Judiciary Committee, the essence of the "Most Conservative" legislature is distilled. Will they undo the unconstitutional Jim Crow Law instituted in 1870 to disenfranchise from the ability to bear arms all but the Ruling Elite (sand taxation), or will they bow to the Establishment and continue via their "power by law" to deny that Right to the average person, and violate their Oath to: "in all appointments, vote without favor, affection, partiality, or prejudice; and that I will not propose or assent to any bill, vote or resolution, which shall appear to me injurious to the people, or consent to any act or thing, whatever, that shall have a tendency to lessen or abridge their rights and privileges, as declared by the Constitution of this State."

Let them think anything, this is one of those "baby steps" everyone says should be taken.

Senator Brian Kelsey chairs the Senate Judiciary Committee, where Tennessee's Constitutional Carry bill will face its first test this week.  He is running for the 8th Congressional District seat vacated by Stephen Fincher, and as such, is attempting to broadcast his "Conservative" bona fides. We now have committed enough votes in his committee to get it to the floor, and with the "zero" fiscal review (reduction in revenue v. reduction in expenditures) it SHOULD go directly to Calendar and Rules, bypassing Finance. Memphis has complete control of this bill as Kelsey chairs the Senate committee, and Jim Coley the House committee. This week tells the tale of the tape.

An NAGR fund raising tool, standard Dudley Brown method to get your email address, to then send you "emergency" request for money.

The Senate voted today: House earlier in the week, they join the ranks of Constitutional Carry States!

NRA has taken up "supporting" the bill, which means they will claim responsibility when it passes, but that is OK with me, as long as it passes.  (West Virginia Senate voted to override their feckless Governor's veto of their Constitutional Carry this morning, their House did earlier in the week, so they join the ranks).  NRA using the bill to "grade" legislators is a big deal in an election year.  The metric has changed. We have the votes in the Senate Committee to get it to the floor, as its current Fiscal statement allows for the sponsor to send it directly to Calendar and Rules, bypassing Finance. We hear someone is going to offer an amendment in the House sub, we are going to let it run if so, we will work it in Conference Committee. For the first time, I actually feel we have a decent chance of passing this.  Representative Mike Carter (Chattanooga) is key, hoping he sees political reality.  Would much rather support friends than fight enemies.

Virginia allows open carry with no permit, so it recognizes the right to bear and wear arms, Tennessee does not. Tennessee allows you a defense against prosecution of the intent to go armed clause of the TCA (Jim Crow Law still on our books) via a tax.

Questions -Section (a), what is the intent with respect to the use of the term “recklessly” as an element of the offense?  For example, would it be an offense if the firearm were left in the adult’s bedroom (or workshop, etc.) in an area that is not frequented by children under the age of 13 but which a child, if in that area, could gain access? Section (a)(1), talks in terms of the firearm being “readily accessible to the owner or possessor”?  Is the intent to restrict this element to only the owner or “possessor” as opposed to any other adult in the immediate area?  What if the non-owner asserts that they are not a “possessor” because, perhaps, of a prior mental health limit (such as PTSD) or other prohibited person status? Section (a)(2), what if the ammunition is in the “immediate vicinity” but is not accessible to the child or readily capable of being placed into the weapon.  So, for example, the ammo is in a locked container, is at a height that is not accessible, or, in the instance of a black powder/muzzleloader weapon cannot be readily configured to fire without more knowledge that most children have.   Section [b](1) provides an exception if the firearm has a trigger locking or other similar device but it is qualified with this phrase “and only the person leaving, placing, or storing the firearm has the ability to remove the lock or other device;”  What if it does have an effective trigger lock or is in an access prevention container but other adults have the ability to remove the lock (e.g., it’s a combination lock)? Section[b](2)[C] has a limitation similar to [b](1) by its use of the phrase “only the person or the person's spouse”.  What if the adults residing in the house are not married?  What if they are roommates or simply unmarried?  What if the house is multi-generational?  

  You are coming home from hunting, (you have no children at all, any age) and need to use the rest room.  You leave your shotgun and Turkey vest,(with ammo in the vest) in your truck and make a dash to the bath room...neighbor 12 year sees it through your truck window from his bedroom window, comes over and lays hands on it, or tells Dad he could. You having no expectation that an underage child has the opportunity to get it, I would think would be taken aback if the heat showed up and you were arrested, while in the loo.  Gun was available for the kid to get his hands on it, whether he did or not, he could have, there is nothing in the law that says bad acts by others are excused, (trespassing or theft).  There is still a foul even if there is no harm on your part. It was stored in a place where it was unavailable to the Owner or possessor, for a period of time, and the ammunition was in the vicinity.  

39-15-402.  Haley's Law -- Aggravated child abuse and aggravated child neglect or endangerment -- Definitions.   (a) A person commits the offense of aggravated child abuse, aggravated child neglect or aggravated child endangerment, who commits child abuse, as defined in § 39-15-401(a); child neglect, as defined in § 39-15-401(b); or child endangerment, as defined in § 39-15-401(c) and: (2) A deadly weapon, dangerous instrumentality, controlled substance or controlled substance analogue is used to accomplish the act of abuse, neglect or endangerment;

I would like someone with more understanding of the law to opine here, but to me the law had a "you understood" (or) at the end of Section 1, (a), (1), else why include the: (A) Is placed or stored for any period of time in a location in which the firearm is not immediately available to the owner or possessor of the firearm; or [B] Is temporarily left unattended by the owner or possessor of the firearm for any period of time; and (2) Contains ammunition in the clip, magazine, or chamber, or ammunition for the unattended firearm is in the immediate vicinity of the firearm. Then gives exceptions of trigger locks and safes.  I have a problem with the "stored in a location" portion, that precludes "being in plain view."  I can just see the argument, "well it was in a drawer, but once you opened it, it was in plain view." Why not just include the "Contains ammunition in the clip, magazine, or chamber, or ammunition for the unattended firearm is in the immediate vicinity of the firearm." at the end of the first sentence and be done with it?   Say it gets through committees and it gets amended to add an (or) in between the "location that is in plain view and (or) readily accessible", that makes a lot of difference, (I believe it can already be construed as such) and I have no doubt that such a one word add would survive a "its for the children" cry. TCA 39-17-1320 already deals with recklessly allowing a minor to possess a handgun, simply amend that to say "firearm":     39-17-1320.  Providing handguns to juveniles -- Penalties.   (a) It is an offense for a person intentionally, knowingly or recklessly to provide a handgun with or without remuneration to any person that the person providing the handgun knows or has reason to believe is a juvenile in violation of § 39-17-1319. [b] It is an offense for a parent or guardian intentionally, knowingly or recklessly to provide a handgun to a juvenile or permit a juvenile to possess a handgun, if the parent or guardian knows of a substantial risk that the juvenile will use a handgun to commit a felony. (c) Unlawfully providing or permitting a juvenile to possess a handgun in violation of subsection (a) is a Class A misdemeanor and in violation of subsection [b] is a Class D felony.

So, the boys get to bragging about their hunting skills, she pulls out a picture of her most recent deer harvest, the doves she took, or the squirrels she took last weekend, and some Greenie teacher hears the conversation and here comes the SWAT team. Or, the community Doc comes to school and  the authority figures "demand" answers to their questions...know any 12 years olds that would not be intimidated to tell the truth, or do we start them young learning to lie?  I guess as we slip into a "Papers Please" society we should? We had a female Sargent in the Police Department leave her purse with a backup Glock in it in a grocery cart along with her 4 year old grand daughter who popped off a round at the Dollar Store.  Nothing was done about that, and nothing will be done about a similar instance in the future, as some are just more equal than others. This is a bad law, put forth by two real Democrats to make the life of gun owners more difficult.  The "problems" are already covered by existing law, as Omega proposed, prosecute those guilty under them.  We have enough Statist laws as it is.

The bill we plan to run requires NRA or equivalent certified instructors to teach the material. Schools can't afford the additional expense unless funded by the state. I was in education for a while, and saw the results of what Mom and Dad are teaching the average student, they (students) need this curriculum. By the 5th grade I promise children have been exposed to a loaded gun, we had better start teaching them as a society at least which end of the things the bullet comes out of. My 3 year old grand son knows if he finds a real gun to leave it alone and find an adult, will not be at my house that he does, but he damn well might somewhere else, I teach him the facts just in case. Not everybody thinks it is as important as do I. Rap Music and the idiot box is teaching them something else...