Worriedman

It is what we asked for this year, see Todd's bill HB 1388 written by us and parsed through legal, simply removes the criminal aspect, it is up this week in subcommittee. I get the game. I work a 60 hr. week, have a daughter that is wheelchair bound that I have to see about constantly, a wife who had a kidney transplant 13 years ago and is very ill, and another daughter that just had her transplant...spontaneous mutation that got passed along to our kids that we did not know about when young and fertile. I use my vacation to travel to Nashville and now can do Zoom meetings with our friends in the legislature, the only upside to COVID I have found. I will rest when I am dead. Per the fundraising, we only spend money on helping good candidates in their campaigns and advertising for our issues. John donated copious hours at no payback of any sort to the effort. There are two Board members, he and I, and neither of us take a penny from the TFA, ever! I nor John are Wayne La Pierre. I agree we are not enemies, we just have different views on how to proceed. I have enough brown on my nose from my efforts over the last 20+ years to start a small truck patch...

That is disingenuous, working the bills is not shown on the video stream, I got 72 yes votes for my bill, the Governor's bill got 64. I am simply telling the facts of the game that is played. How many days have you spent working 2nd Amendment issues at the General Assembly? How many meeting did you attend in Nashville with groups of legislators to actually write bills and advocate with Leadership to seek their passage. I have spent two decades involved in the effort. Employee Safe Commute, Guns in Trunks, Guns in Bars and Guns in Parks, all issues that leadership fought that TFA championed and worked to pass, a lot of shoe leather and groveling spent, I saw very VERY few others doing that work. Here is what Senator Kerry Roberts said about the issue, and yes he also said he would support the bill as written, but these comments bear witness I think. https://youtu.be/4tRXSSBP3cw

I was there, and saw the vote "whipping", but look at who voted for it, Jerry Sexton, Clay Doggett, Chris Todd , those not afraid to stand on principal, not just follow orders.

Not correct, it was simply brought up on the rule that says 2/3 present can call the merit to the floor, the original amendment, two of them on the same issue one by Jerry Sexton who is really ticked that our tax payer funded Vanderbilt lawyers "messed" up filing the amendment correctly. I have some beach front property in Weakly County for sale too...Leadership did not want to even have a discussion because on that as the "powers that be" did not want to entertain the issue, the two amendments were timely filled, signed by the sponsors and left in the Clerks office, there was no mention of any impropriety at noon when they were filed, the impropriety discovered after the deadline to correct them... and pray tell what was the harm in adding the ability to carry where the Enhanced Permit carrier could carry to the bill, enlighten us please.

There are not enough Democrats to do anything, they could hold their Caucus meeting in a dang minivan. Everything that happens for good or ill is the direct responsibility of the Republicans. You will notice that all "our" guys voted for the Governor's bill. I set about strategy to try to remove the most egregious portions of it last night before I left the Capitol, and you know there are parts that are not good. As long as I can drag my tired old fat hinney up those stairs and through the tunnel I will keep trying to get back to the 1796 Rights where it said Tennesseans have the Right to keep and bear arms without any qualifiers. Communities hung criminals as did the State and that cut way back on recidivism. In truth, looking at the dollars intended, this is merely an increased criminal penalties bill for those who actually look at the text, nearly $20million worth of increase. Gov. Lee is doing his best to turn criminals out at an astounding rate, giving them tax dollar paid for college and trade school classes to make them better citizens...revolving door funding with tax dollars of something, not sure what. Had they simply called it Permitless carry for some ion some places I could have accepted that. But to your point, I intend to fight another day, starting as soon as the gavel rang on this one.

Suppose you had a Grandfather that worked his whole life, veteran of WWII even who saw you as his favorite grandchild and left you his prized Colt Python .357, pristine and kept in the best repair and condition, (box and all) in his will. When the fateful day arrived and he went to his reward, no longer troubled with the scars of war and strife of life... The Probate of his Estate, meager as it was, consisting of his house and few possessions scattered about the multitude of his survivors, comes to fruition some months after his passing and you receive an RG .38. with cracked plastic handle, broken pawl. You contest the intent of the will only to be told by the Executor and Probate judge that you should be happy with the fact you go something akin to what your progenitor intended, and if you are savvy and toss in a lot of hard earned cash and trade up over the coming years at some point in the future you can possibly achieve the equal, if not exact item that was yours to begin with... I keep going back year after year, for decades now, to attempt to gain back that which our sires won for us from an overreaching tyrannical government, wrested with bloody hands and in fact due in great part to Tennesseans who would not take crumbs of their God given Rights to Liberty but at Kings Mountain shot and killed their rulers, bleeding and dying in the attempt to leave us with our Right to arms and true representation re taxes and being able to keep our property and some semblance of privacy. We are culls who have allowed scurrilous men to steal those hard won issues, kneeling and "taking what we can get" from their table. Legislators, off duty LE and judges carry with impunity everyday, wherever they wish Are they made of finer clay than we who simply work and die and shoulder the biggest part of the duty and payment for the society we now live in? Where Rights are chipped away successively, bit by bit and drip by drip, the water in the pot coming up to heat while we clamor about the good work of a legislature that knows we are due the full gift of recognition of the 2nd Amendment at least?

Two amendments were offered by Republican's that changed the vague legally present language to the permissions in Enhanced permit carry, they were stuck down as being filed incorrectly, but they were in fact prepared by legal. I am the one doing the ads and please tell me where I have misstated any fact, that REAL Constitutional Carry includes long guns and the 18 year old an up provision? Did we think those had a chance, no, but our constituents want the REAL thing, while others are OK with something less. By the way, I have not once said I was against the Governor's bill , just that it needed to be amended. I take no pay for the efforts I make or have for the last 20 years. It sure is not making me an friends and has nearly cost me my livelihood, so any who think I am involved for any personal gain are incorrect. I am old and am going to die soon, and I want my grand children as well situated before I do as possible. Everyone who is involved knew the Governor's Bill was going to pass, they did not vote for the Republican Amendment by Jerry Sexton because leadership did not ant that minute change to wherever an enhanced permit carry allows and there are plenty of places in this passed bill that you can not carry that you can with the enhanced permit, like when you are bow hunting or in a number of parks, but those traps make work for lawyers.... If you ordered a pizza and wanted anchovies and pepperoni and you got chicken and pineapple would you be happy? A lot more work went into this attempt to get the right thing than any of you might know, or actually can imagine, and it will be years now before they take any of these issues back up. I have 20+ years in working these issues and for me, personally, I will keep my permit because I want to travel out of State and can afford it. Of far more import, Civil Immunity (HB 0025) passed with more votes then the Governor's bill and that one affects everyone regardless of their desire to have a permit or not. I have been working that bill for 15 years and got it through the House again tonight. So, while there were expecting me to raise sand about the "Constitutional Carry Bill", the real work for us guys who realize we are the only defense we have against crime prevailed. It did last year too, but the Senate refused to even take it up. They can't afford not to hear it now, it is by -partisan, I even got 6 Democrats to vote for it. The bluster and dust got raised about something they pushed back on what everybody admits is not the correct thing we should have, all the while the most important thing slipped under the door unnoticed.

I am on the way to watch it unfold, tonight at 5:00 P.M. You can see your elected employees either stand for your 2nd Amendment Rights or not.

Permitless carry is great, the Vermont version anyway.

Patently incorrect. Anyone seeing our writeups knows we support this if it is in fact all we can get. Even today, with it going to floor vote we have asked amendments to be offered, but it is NAGR calling for its defeat not TFA.

We do not have a Conservative anything related to our TN legislature. If I could construct in your minds a meme, of a relay team of runners, consisting of Jimmy Naifeh, Beth Harwell, Glen Casada with Cameron Sexton being the final leg, I would do so and maybe I could then improve the consideration of the voters in Tennessee that the stuff hitting your shoes is NOT rain water...

My question is who is the person behind the curtain everyone (legislators) keep alluding to as not allowing us to enjoy all the 2nd Amendment? What power is granted this individual, or cabal if it be, by the Constitutions of the State and Union to deny your your Right to arms clearly enumerated by the Constitutions, and in light of the McDonald v. City of Chicago decision where the 2nd was incorporated against the state by the 14th? Would each of us feel ill treated if these miscreants decided to limit us each to one nostril to breath with, seeing as to how they have determined themselves to be the final arbiter of how much of anything we can have, oxygen in the atmosphere being another thing our Creator gave us? Not on point possibly but consistent I think...

Very Amateurish attempt at video ad... https://tennesseefirearms.com/2021/03/is-tennessee-failing-to-lead-on-real-constitutional-carry/

Been working this situation as hard as I can, actually running ads in several markets in the state. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI9tShIugFQ

I posted an update to the bills and what is on tap in a new thread, along a a very poor attempt at explanation.

The final week of the issue is coming up next week. The Governor's Bill HB 0786 is up for floor vote Monday in the House afternoon Floor Session. The other two bills, HB 0018 by now stripped of committee assignments Bruce Griffey and HB 1388 by Chris Todd have been "Placed behind the Budget" due to the supposed Fiscal Notes of approx. $2.5 million in lost revenue (spurious at best) while the Governor's bill has a nearly $18million fiscal note... Neither bill has been put on notice in the Senate. The Governor's bill does not include long guns, down to 18 age or many of the places that the "Enhanced" permit holders can carry, but to the man (or woman) we are being told it is the "best we can get". It is my understanding that several amendments will be offered on the floor in Mondays session, but they have no chance of being accepted. Mike Bell, Chair of Senate Judiciary Department said we could come back in 10-12 years to have another go at it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeCdrg8jIXA

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How about a bow hunter who swishes to carry while engaged in that activity, CHP same EHP

Can a CCP holder, if they are an employee/teacher at a college, carry like a HCP holder?

Please ask him. I am compiling a list, and have responses from those Sheriff's I know personally. I have received a number of responses from Constituents or House Representatives in those Counties, and two outstanding ones (attached). Otherwise I have received responses from these in support of the bills before the House criminal justice sub committee: Sheriff Brian Duke of Henderson County, Sheriff Karl Jackson of Obion County, Sheriff Daryl Young of Cannon County, Sheriff Kilpatrick of Lewis County, Sheriff Guy Buck of McNairy County, Sheriff James D. Storie of Clay County, Sheriff Steve Lawson of Bradley County, Sheriff James Lee Berrong of Blount County, Sheriff Dexter Lunceford of Carter County and Sheriff Steve Ross of Polk County. Those who were not polled but oppose Constitutional Carry and favor implied consent and oppose any but concealed carry: Sheriff John Mehr of Madison County, Sheriff Jeff Box of Dyer County Those who favor implied consent and would allow Constitutional Concealed Only Carry: Sheriff Paul Thomas of Gibson County Guy Buck Letter.pdf Dwayne Kilpatrick Letter.pdf

Can you get a life time with the CCP? Does it allow for carry in greenways and many parks? Does it allow for keeping in a vehicle on school parking lot?

We currently sit at 21 States with some form of Constitutional Carry and 19 with good laws. In addition, every State contiguous to Tennessee except Stacy Abramsland already has permitless Open Carry, with AR, MS, and KY having concealed as well.

None of the Constitutional Carry Bills in Tennessee have ever sought to do away with our original Handgun Carry Permit (now Enhanced) for reasons of reciprocity.

Vermont has never had a requirement for a permit, since 1791 when it entered the Union.

NRA used to, as long as Darren LaSorte was their State Lobbyist, actively work Tennessee for our good, After Jimmie Naifeh picked up his new flame who was antigun, he took a different tact and demanded LaSorte be removed from Tennessee, we got long legs and cute and giggly after that for a while till 2010, when Chris Cox got ticked at Maggart and sent LaSorte back for a bit, then we got a registered Democrat from Virginia who donated to Northam... The new lobbyist was hired out of Bill Lee's staff, and says he is willing to work with us this year, but I would like to know when he became a member of the NRA? If in fact he does decide to seek to support the 2nd Amendment by telling the truth about who does and does not support us in the legislature I will be his best friend. I am a Life and Benefactor NRA Member, have been a life member for longer than a lot of the legislators have been alive. GOA works with TFA, 2nd Amendment Foundation are great folks and work with us as well.