Worriedman

If you want to peaceably assemble, and protest a certain issue in front of the Capital Building, you may be required to purchase a permit to gather there. Does that change your Right to Free Speech to a privilege? They will tell you that there is need for security, and that the permit fee helps defray that cost for them, for you to be there and exercise your right. Our Governments will tax our last breath if we will stand for it. Part of the restriction relative to the HCP is the background check, it validates that you have not committed any of the offenses that preclude satisfying the criteria, the fee you pay is to defray that cost. Every Bill that is acted upon has a fiscal note, there are cost to the Government for all it's actions.

You get an "Amen" from me on that statement. Kind of my point on the whole discussion, both the TN Constitution, and the 2nd Amendment call it a "Right". Allowing the Government, be it State or Federal to erode that into a "privilege" standing is not good. It was important enough to our Founders and framers to name it a "Right", we should honor their wishes and continue to demand that it remains such. That the Legislature has the "power" granted by the Constitution to restrict it can not be denied, it is printed there for all to see, but, it must remain viewed as a right, and we should continually remind those who we pay to exercise that "power" that it is.

The permit is simply a document that proves to LE that you have a defense against the restriction against going armed. Passing the background check is to verify the fact that you have not failed any of the parameters, it is the result of the "power" given the Legislature to restrict the right. No matter how you slice or dice it, it is still a right. Says so, right there in the Constitution. Where do you read privilege? Even in the Federal 2nd amendment, it is called a right, it was so important to the framers that they intended to to be a right, was not then, nor is it now named a privilege.

Being one of "We The People" I own a part of the street, as much as anybody else. (As long as I pay my taxes, and stay outside the confines of the cross bar motel for failure to do so) When it comes time to repair it, or build a new one, I get a portion of the bill. My elected Representatives either set the speed limits, or appoint who does, and they should be responsive to the will of their constituents. The constituents are the final arbiters. If in fact, the representatives fail to provide good and accepted rules, they are changed, or well should be. In essence all public officials, departments and employees work for the People. I think that is the problem anymore, it seems that they think they are the bosses. The ones who write the checks should be in charge!

Privilege-is a special entitlement or immunity granted by a government or other authority to a restricted group. Rights are permissions, usually of a legal or moral nature, granted by government to individuals. Our Carry Permit is an expressly formulated criteria, enumerated by the Legislature in it's purvey of restrictions on bearing arms in State of Tennessee with a view to preventing crime. It authorizes individuals who do not fail the established norms to carry a concealed weapon, all who satisfy the stated criteria shall be issued that permit if they apply for it. The stated rules are all exceptions; felonies, failure to pay child support, receipt of an order of protection etc., which restrict the individual's right to carry if they have any of these marks against them. At least that is how I read the dictionary. I am sure there are other opinions.

So, prior to the State of TN passing a law to allow concealed carry, you feel that there was no right to be armed? Maybe I am dense again, but the way I read the Constitution of TN, I have the right, the Legislature has the ability (by law) to regulate that right to prevent crime, no where do I read it saying anything in the Constitution about a privilege. You and I own the street, why would my passage from my private property to the street bear on my ability to carry my weapon? It is not owned by another private entity, it is our property too. And, if the Federal government should decide to ban guns, (overstepping their authority by the attempt) and do away with the 2nd Amendment, the rest of the Bill of Rights is gone as well, and we have a whole 'nuther problem. I would like to know what YOU are going to say when and if that occurs. Heller says I have an individual Right to own and bear a weapon for my personal defense. If you think that is a reason to laugh, you and I have a far different view of our nation, and what is the gift to us bought by blood and treasure spent by our Founders, and, all the good men who haver served to keep our freedoms over the years since that founding. I have no idea why you have a beef with me, can not think of a thing I have said or done since my arrival on this site to to garner you derision. I have spent a lot of time learning the actual laws, speaking with my legislators, interfacing with local LE, attempting to raise awareness of vital issues relative to our freedom in my acquaintances and community. I am searching every venue of approach to raise up and bolster the Rights my progenitors labored and bled for. Gaining knowledge in the most effective methods of communication from professionals where I can, (started with the NRA), found a few folks who feel like I do, that it is my absolute responsibility to do all I can to protect the future of my Country, and my children by making sure the Right to Keep and Bear Arms is not taken away. You can poke, prod and denigrate any discussion I am a part of if it makes you feel better about yourself, but I will continue to ask questions, and on occasion voice an opinion, till the time the Administrators ask me to leave.

Pinson is a State Park, TN State Parks: Pinson Mounds State Archaeological Park and as such, should allow carry, as no local entity can claim jurisdiction, but I would contact TDEC and ask that question directly, I am no authority on the matter. There is a contact location in the following link. The Official State of Tennessee's Department of Environment and Conservation, State Parks Website

TN Constitution Art. I, section 26 states: “ That the citizens of this state have the right to keep and bear arms for their common defense; but the Legislature shall have the power, by law, to regulate the wearing of arms with a view to prevent crime.†The Legislature can restrict that right with a view to preventing crime, but it is by the very nature of this section of our State Constitution, a right! Then there is that little niggling problem of the Federal 2nd Amendment.

Very astute observations, both of them! But there you go, using common sense on an emotional issue......

If this specific tag has been posted before, I apologize, but feel it has merit relative to the original thread. Dread now wants to sue the Legislature. Legal Fight Brewing Over Controversial State Gun Law - NewsChannel 5.com - Nashville, Tennessee - Maybe the Legislature needs to better define the difference between a restaurant and a bar. Bet you will see the owners of said establishments fight tooth and nail to keep that from happening. Wonder what the liability insurance cost would be for an establishment listed as a "dive"? They want to ply their patrons with a mind altering drug for profit, and turn them loose in their cars, but cry havoc about guns being present?

A study of the writings of the Founding Fathers will evidence a strong intent by them relative to the issue at hand today. "Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself! They are the American people's Liberty Teeth and keystone under Independence. From the hour the Pilgrims landed, to the present day, events, occurrences, and tendencies prove that to insure peace, security, and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable. The very atmosphere of firearms everywhere, restrains evil interference -- they deserve a place of honor with all that's good!" --President George Washington, in a speech to Congress. 7 January, 1790 “Arms in the hands of individual citizens may be used at individual discretion in private self-defense.†John Adams "The great object is, that every man be armed. [...] Every one who is able may have a gun." -- Patrick Henry, speech of June 14 1788 That the said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United states who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms... -- Samuel Adams, in "Phila. Independent Gazetteer", August 20, 1789 "The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed." --Thomas Jefferson. The Founders intent is clear and obvious for those who will read and understand, the above is simply a minuscule sampling. Each property owner should have the ability to refuse to allow carry on their property, to usurp the right of the individual to keep their arm safely locked in their vehicle for the trip to and from their home oversteps the bounds of propriety, and defies the spirit of the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights.

Very well though out and applied. Kudos to the author!

That could be a situation maker there, no requirement to post, all the owner or his appointed representative would be required to do is inform upon entry, or approach a person openly carrying that has already entered, and the person in question would be required to vacate, or face criminal trespass charges. Another reason possibly to consider concealed carry.

Good to know, thanks for the information. What is the method of communication for that restriction if it is instituted by the property owner? Is there a Standard for it like the Posting requirements?

Sorry for coming late to the party, just trying to read and learn as much as possible. I had a discussion this weekend with a high ranking Deputy Sheriff from a Mid-TN county who assured me that the passage of HB0898 removed the restriction for LEO's to carry where alcohol was served, on duty or off, posted venue or not. Not every one is fully informed on the new laws, (I count myself among that number, but I try to cure my ignorance through education) some of them wear badges and carry bracelets that have keys to unlock them. I was not aware this was a "you understood" statement, guess I am a little dense, I take things printed as literal. I will try to be more circumspect in my post from now on.

Everyone needs to be aware, that if a property is "Posted", this law, along with HB 0962 still does not give the permit holder, (or LEO except in the performance of their "Official Duty" i.e. investigation of a crime), the right to carry in said establishment.

Pringles Park is a commercial venture, and as such, has the right to post like any other entity. It is not a "Park" in the same vein as Muse or Kate Campbell, and is not under the purvey of the City to regulate.

See section C (2), the server, with permission from the Owner, is allowed to carry. Of course they can not have any alcohol in their system. TCA 39-17-1305. "Possession of firearm where alcoholic beverages are served.†(a) It is an offense for a person to possess a firearm within the confines of a building open to the public where liquor, wine or other alcoholic beverages, as defined in § 57-3-101(a)(1)(A), or beer, as defined in § 57-6-102(1), are served for on premises consumption. ( A violation of this section is a Class A misdemeanor. © The provisions of subsection (a) shall not apply to a person who is: (1) In the actual discharge of official duties as a law enforcement officer, or is employed in the army, air force, navy, coast guard or marine service of the United States or any member of the Tennessee national guard in the line of duty and pursuant to military regulations, or is in the actual discharge of duties as a correctional officer employed by a penal institution; or (2) On the person's own premises or premises under the person's control or who is the employee or agent of the owner of the premises with responsibility for protecting persons or property.

In the Jackson area, there are many who have taken proactive steps by contacting members of the City Council to voice their opinions. I believe that if enough citizens exercise this right, (it is available to all), the real level of support for the right to be personally responsible for one's own safety can be shown. If those who believe that we are due this as members of a free society do not espouse that thought, how are those who are empowered to make the final decisions by their constituents to know? I have contacted all the City Councilmen, and urged everyone that I can with like beliefs to do the same. Currently, of the 9 council members, I have responses from 5 of the 9 who will vote against closure of parks in Jackson to legal handgun carry by permit holders. As in all things politic, that could change, but it will only do so if a preponderance of contacts to them reveal a different desire. Be polite, but be assertive, know the facts and state them. Most importantly, be counted.

Pillar and action bedding is not the Voo-Doo dark art it is sometimes made out to be. It can really add to the accuracy of a reasonably priced rifle, producing stellar results for a little work and a few dollars spent by the do-it-yourself aficionado.

I always wanted a tack driver .22LR, here is a pictorial of my quest and results. Started with a stock CZ 453 Varmint, (love that trigger). Pillars are lamp repair post (can purchase at any Lowe's or Home Depot) they thread into the existing holes for the action screws. I make a tap from one of the post by cutting 4 "teeth" and putting a slot in the other end for a large screw driver to bite. Run the tap through, and then it is easy to thread the actual pillar, which is trimmed to correct length in. Stock inletted and pillars set. Clay in place and ready for Devcon epoxy. Barrel taped to keep it centered. Filled and set. Cleaned up. Receiver in place. Latest groups, 5 shots each at 50 yards, with 4 sighters.

I have a 12'X20' cast off building that my father-in-law was going to burn, I loaded it up, hauled it to my place, striped it to the rafters and floor joist, refurbished it with metal siding, insulated and sheathed the inside with cheap paneling. Installed a heating/AC unit. I lined it all with shelves, benches and drawer space, and named it the "Man Cave". It is about 1/2 the size I need for all my operations, but it is at least a dedicated spot. The deer horn drawer pulls fit the "motif". What it looked like orignally.

Component storage. Wildcat and big bore single stage and case prep. Workhorses. Shotgun Station.

My name is Richard. I am an activist for 2nd Amendment Rights, Chapter Leader for the West Tennessee Regional Chapter of the Tennessee Firearms Association, Life Member of the NRA. I am a hunter, reloader, wannabe gunsmith, and Grandfather who hopes to gift forward the ability to enjoy those pastimes to my progeny, and one who knows that without vigilance and labor, they will be lost to future generations of Tennesseans.