Worriedman

Uh, seems like that has been happening with regularity as of late. Embedding FBI agents with our troops in the sand box to read captured combatants their rights, giving terrorist lawyers upon their arrest, allowing them our rights when they try to blow our planes up. 9-11 plotters being tried in civilian courts in the city they hit. Corporations like CNN, NBC, and GE fawning over the Anointed One, spending money and air time on him like drunken sailors. Hopefully you were being sarcastic, if not, you are clueless! Uh oh, double tap with Straight Shooter's post. I had to redo mine a couple of times to ratchet it down.

Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : flsenate.gov From 790.06.12... any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to such purpose. Basically, Florida allows carry in restaurants that serve, but perimt holdrs are not allowed to carry in the "area" i.e. bar area if the restaurant has one. Bars and night clubs are off limits for carry. No carry and consumption. Compilation of Links and Information for Everything Conceal Carry - Florida Concealed Carry Forums

God help us, where is the "Dreaded Red X" when you need it? Clearly an egregious violation of the 8th Amendment there!

I would be very interested in knowing what the "curriculum" is for the program. Is it State mandated? Do all the different systems get direction as to the things they attempt to teach?

Expound please, which candidates do you perceive as giving lip service to the 2nd Amendment for political gain?

Be ready for Emanuel to throw out the full court press. I turned over to MSMBC to watch the crying, and heard Chris Mathews spewing about how Emanuel had to do the "heavy lifting" to get Health Care Reform shoved through, opining that if the they failed to get it passed, every Democrat was in danger of loosing their seats this next November???? Is he from the same planet as the rest of us? I hope they name him Chairman of the DNC.

75% in, 53-46 Brown, AP has called the race.

A "Right" is simply a promise about an explicit situation by the framers of both the US and Tennessee Constitutions against government action. It is on us that we have not forced the government to leave our "Rights" alone. We are sheep, and it is only going to get worse. It will soon be speech that will be restricted, and in the end, freedom to worship as one sees fit. Over 30 other States allow guns in bars, restaurants or whatever you want to call them. It is not a problem in those locations, it would not be a problem here. As long as we refuse to grow a set and demand our "Rights" as intended by the Founders, we will have what we deserve.

A clean bill, stating that Handgun Carry Permit holders are allowed to carry anywhere alcohol is served is what we need. We will not get it with this legislature. Too many of the sitting members are ignorant of the Constitution, lack the backbone to uphold it if they do understand it, or simply believe that they are above the oath they took to uphold it, and whatever it says is irrelevant. It is simple really, the Second Amendment says that we have the Right to keep and bear arms, there is no specification stating “except where alcohol is served”. That right is not to be infringed. The Tenth Amendment says if it is not delegated to the Federal Government, it is in the purvey of the States to deal with the wearing of arms. Our Tennessee Constitution in Article 1, Section 26 states that we as Citizens have a Right to bear arms for our defense, however the Legislature has power, by law to restrict the wearing of arms with a view to prevent crime. As the law here already says that we can not be in possession of a weapon and be under the influence of any alcohol, there is already a restriction on the mixing of alcohol and guns, for the permit holder. Our State Constitution precludes the Legislature from passing laws relative to the wearing of arms without proving that it would reduce crime. There is sufficient empirical data to prove that the carrying of arms by licensed holders in venues that serve alcohol is not a problem, Senator Jackson alluded to this in his speech prior to the override vote, but due to it being an election year, he is now afraid to stand up for the truth. The people we elect should uphold the Constitutions, they swore an oath or made an affirmation to do so. There is no section of that oath that says “as long as it suits my political agenda”. I had a City Council member in Union City tell me “the Second Amendment don’t mean what it used to”. As long as We the People allow individuals such as this to occupy the seats of Legislative bodies, we will continue to loose our liberties. They either need to step up, or step aside, and we are at fault if we do not spend every waking minute to change their actions, or their vocations, if they will not adhere to the law.

Remove the targets. Dodd is tainted, and in a heads up race will lose, so they pull him, do a Tanner and give him a posh appointment in return for faithful service and put up a more "concervative" Dem candidate and keep the seat for the party. Never forget, Obama is a master politician.

McDonald vs. Chicago will answer that, for good or ill. If SCOTUS incorporates the 2nd Amendment to the States, it will be hard to deny an individual Right to gun ownership, if it goes the other way, this nation is doomed.

At least we have the opportunity to carry legally. If the rest of the 95% desires to remain a soft target, or to carry illegally, so be it. If we could just get the Legislature to understand the Constitution as written, and then the sheep to hold them to the protecting and defending it as they should, we could have our Right to Keep and Bear arms as described in that said Constitution.

Those are statistics provided by the State of Tennessee. The math is a simple computation of the figures provided by the TBI and the State. That is not what I said, I simply applied a formula which reached the fact that: The cites from the Official State sites are not something "I read" on the internet, but research of data provided by the Government, with respect to acts that would result in revocation of a Handgun Carry permit. You touted: I asked you to show your data, which so far you have not done. The rules for the successful application for a HCP are published, if an individual who does not fit the rules applies, I do not think those who have committed an act that would preclude them from legally obtaining a permit should be counted against the honest, legal class of holders.

If you will open the cites above my work, you will find the number on permit holders is for one year, not 4. I am not one of those that beat on LEO's, I support them in every way I can, so you can take that chip off your shoulder. But it is a fact that the HCP holder as a class IS more likely to abide by the law than the general public. Do a little reading on the sites above my math, you will find it to be correct. All the figures come directly from them, and are current for the year 2008, the latest stats available.

They only lobbied against the Public Option, they love the mandated purchase feature, and the fact there will be rationing, premiums go up, they pay out less. Best of all worlds for them.

Check the stock prices of publicly held insurance companies over the last month. Insurance Co.'s and Big Pharma are the huge winners here! But you are right to be skeptical of the post. None now. Just for those who have a job. Just those with jobs, or retirement benefits.

Cite your statistics please. http://www.tbi.state.tn.us/Info%20Systems%20Div/TIBRS_unit/Publications/2008%20Crime%20in%20Tennessee.pdf http://www.state.tn.us/safety/stats/DL_Handgun/Handgun/HandgunReport2008Full.pdf http://www.tennessee.gov/safety/handgun/qualifications.htm There were 218,004 Handgun Carry Permit Holders on 1/1/2009, in the State of Tennessee. For the calendar year 2008, there were a total of exactly 607 permits suspended or revoked. Therefore, 0.278% of permits were at least suspended for crime or other reasons last year. Suspensions can be temporary; the actual number of permits revoked was 263 which is 0.1206% of the total number of permits at the end of the year, that's less than 1/8 of 1%. In the same time period, there were 47,315 arrests for Domestic Violence, 236 for Stalking, 29,387 for DUI plus 2,843 for Weapon Law Violations in the state during the same time period. With an estimated population of 6,214,888, that means that at least 1.28% of the total population committed crimes that would result in revocations of a permit. In essence the General Population was 1061% more likely to commit an offence of such a magnitude that would result in revocation of a permit, than the HCP Holder as a group. Included in this is the fact that failure to pay child support results in revocation of a permit, but the numbers of that infraction are not included in the crime rate statistics on the General Population, were that to be the case, the order of magnitude would be much higher.

Factual statement. It all boils down to money. As long as the liqueur industry pumps more of it into the political arena than the gun lobby does, the winds of favor will blow in their direction, not ours. Results are paid for in contributions.

Personally think it is an effort to get the populace to back off the lynch mob mentality with the Legislature. Then the appeal fails and we are back to square one.

I ran across this quote not too long ago doing research for a speech I am to give in Selmer at a Tea Party in January, so I will not spoil your contest. Suffice it say, the message is mixed, from the: Seems directly at odds with the remainder of the quote: Of course in his defense, Chicago and Detroit had a much different make up in his day. The Welfare State had not begun to exist, even in the minds of people at that time, and I would suppose that feeding one's family through individual labor was still something of an expectation, and would have fallen under the second sentence and not the first.

Wish I was smart enough to see where the trap door to that Trojan Horse is!

I live in rural Madison Co., I have a berm in my back yard. The prissy State employee that lives next door called the Sheriff's Dept. when I was sighting in my turkey gun one fine spring morning. The officer pulled up in the driveway, I left my shotgun on the rest, kept my hands in view and walked to meet him. He inspected the setup, and asked if he could come back off shift and sight his in. He came back that afternoon and we got his scope set, and then proceeded to run a couple of hundred 9mm's and 45's. The young Jackson Police Officer that moved in across the cove uses my range to check his deer rifles, and we shoot a lot of pistol. I have a Madison Co. Deputy that built a house behind me, so we rearranged the berm, and he uses the range now too. Be responsible, and be safe!

Will wonders never cease? How do we find out the content of the filing?

Absolutely no chance the AG is going to file an appeal, this is what his string pullers wanted in the first place. The Administration vetoed the Bill, why on earth would they turn around an file an appeal?

From the Western side of the State, Johnny Shaw is my Rep., no chance he would support this, he voted with Naifeh against it at every chance. Still trying to contact Sen. Lowe Finney, he was on the Conference Committee that nixed the age restriction and curfew, voted for final passage and override, but so far have not been able to get him on the phone. Here is his response to my original e-mail: Richard, I am glad to talk with you about this issue any time. Please call me in my Jackson office at your convenience. Lowe I have called and left messages several times, without result so far.