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You will never hear that put forth. That the Law as passed is Constitutional makes not one bit of difference to him. The Legislature, being responsive to the People, have for two years attempted to put this into force simply has no bearing on Bredesn's thought process. We, the tax paying public, have no say in the matter, we are not Progressive, enlightened souls. Tennessee red necks do not know what is best for us.

I know you are glad the son is home. I too would like to add my gratitude for his service to our country!

Shamelessly stolen, but worth the time to watch I think. Would that I could be as effective a spokesman! Louisiana Gun

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Therein lies the difference in your perception, and the facts as presented in the Constitution. Article 1 Section 26 of the Declaration of Rights of the Tennessee Constitution says: “That the citizens of this state have a right to keep and to bear arms for their common defense; but the Legislature shall have power, by law, to regulate the wearing of arms with a view to prevent crime.” What part of that Section do you have trouble grasping? The Legislature can regulate the wearing of arms, IF and only IF they can empirically prove that it reduces crime by that regulation. We have Attorney General opinions that substantiate this: “The Tennessee Supreme Court has recognized that the General Assembly has the authority, under this section of the Constitution, to enact legislation to regulate the wearing and carrying of arms in public. Any such enactment, however, “must be guided by, and restrained to this end, and bear some well defined relation to the prevention of crime, or else it is unauthorized by this clause of the Constitution.” Andrews v. State, 50 Tenn. 165, 181 (1871).” A general understanding of the English language would allow for reading the flow of the pertinent Section verbiage, such that it is clear. Do our Legislators take on more power than the Constitution gives them? Absolutely! But it is simply our fault if we allow such theft of Liberty to stand. A public that abdicates their Rights by accepting some politician's version of what they (politicians) want the Constitution to say, deserves the loss of those Freedoms. I personally will continue to hound my Legislators re what I consider to be my Rights relative to the issue of firearms. TCA Code Section 39-17-1307 on it's face, is Unconstitutional via Tennessee's Constitution and the Federal Bill of Rights. There is no proof that the average law abiding Citizen being unarmed will reduce crime, and per Article 1 Section 29 that must be proved for 39-17-1307 to be valid, or legal.

Rayburn was going to post, if it required a ten foot high sign twenty feet wide. About the only thing I am happy with, (outside of letting the ABC sunset, I would suppose that caused a few puckers. State is broke, they might have to start playing by the rules for a change), is the certain knowledge that Rayburn is pissed beyond imagination tonight because little boy did not get his way!

From TFALAC: We have received a report that Representative Joe McCord is presently working to enlist House members to vote against the Todd/Jackson bill.

I would think first and foremost, that what the LAW has to say should be the primary focus of the lesson plan. In traffic stops: I have never been hassled by a State Trooper over my HCP. Hand the drivers license and Permit card to them at the same time, always been handed back without comment. County Sheriff's Department, two instances, one did the same, the second asked if I was armed, when answered in the affirmative, he asked where the weapon was, I told him, he simply said leave it there. One local department stop, guy took my weapon, unloaded it and took it back to his car, chided me for carrying loaded, locked and cocked. When he brought it back, told me I could not load it and did not want to give me back my ammo. Living under the old adage, "salute the man with the switchblade", I did not spout off or try and tell him the law, second car on the scene, Sgt. made the guy give me my ammo back and tried to get him to understand that an unloaded gun kind of defeated the purpose. (I drive a couple of hundred thou. miles a year for work, I spend a certain amount of time on the right shoulder of the road.)

It is in the printed version too. I think maybe the young lady was asking question of the road crew, gable rock for gabion, and riff raff for rip-rap.

My God, I knew the road situation was dire, but this is too much. From the Jackson Sun: Crews 'rockin' and rollin' to repair storm damage | jacksonsun.com | The Jackson Sun

Madison County primary, 6.5% turnout of registered voters. Good news is, we got a fiscally concervative, very strong supporter of Gun Rights on the County Commission, Adrian Eddleman won the District 9 Position 3 in a landslide. As the other party does not have a candidate in the General Election, the seat is taken.

I just think that the Legislature should make it a level playing field. Circle and slash is good for bars, should be good for farms. Don't know how much money the average bar keep has tied up in their fixtures and trappings, but the cost of a new 24 row planter would probably get you started nicely, and if that will not do it, throw in a combine, and I know that would grub stake a decent beer hall. Try leaving an anhydrous tank out unattended, meth cookers will cut your fences and rob you blind. Yet everyone considers it a minor offense if someone goes strolling across some one else's property armed, but let a small set of very vocal business owners (Hospitality thugs) have a grievance and God help us, it is a major issue calling for all the troops to line up and go to war on their behalf.

You think you put them up just once, and they last forever? Then you have the markers that have to go along with it, post for putting them up.... Think about it, and that is just the signage, post and hardware, does not figure in the time and labor. Then you have the vandalism to the signs cause some city boy wants to pull up, cut up your field roads and hunt you place because he wants to.

TCA 70-4-106 ( (1) (A) Notwithstanding the provisions of subsection (a), it is unlawful for any person to hunt, take, chase, trap or kill any game as defined in § 70-1-101 upon lands posted with signs approved by the wildlife resources agency bearing the language “Hunting By Written Permission Only” and bearing the name of the landowner or the person in possession or control of such lands, without having first obtained the written permission of or being accompanied by the landowner or the person in possession or control of such lands and having authority from the owner to give such permission. Every person who hunts, takes, chases, traps or kills any game on such lands shall have such written permission in immediate possession at all times and shall display the same upon demand of an officer of the wildlife resources agency, sheriff or other peace officer charged with the enforcement of the laws of this state. Written permission shall not be required of the landowner, the landowner's dependents, the person in possession or control of such lands, or the dependents of the person in possession or control of such lands. ( The signs posted pursuant to this subsection ( must be posted by either of the following methods: (i) The signs must be visible at all major points of ingress and at one hundred yard (100 yd.) intervals on the perimeter of the lands being posted; or (ii) The signs must be visible at all major points of ingress and must be accompanied by fluorescent visual markings, which markings must also be placed at fifty-yard (50 yd) intervals around the perimeter of the lands being posted. Such fluorescent visual markings must be at least inch (1²) wide and four inches (4²) long. The division of forestry, in cooperation with the department of agriculture and the wildlife resources agency, shall determine a unique universal paint color or colors, including the color blue, to be used for these property boundary markings. © Any person who posts signs pursuant to this subsection ( without authorization from the landowner is subject to the penalties imposed by subdivision ((2). (2) (A) A violation of this subsection ( is a Class C misdemeanor. Upon conviction for any violation of this subsection (, the court may revoke the license of the person convicted. Any license so revoked shall be surrendered to the court. ( The provisions of this subsection ( are enforceable and may be prosecuted by all officers of the wildlife resources agency, sheriffs and other peace officers charged with the enforcement of the laws of this state. © An affidavit from the landowner or the person in possession or control of such lands stating that the property on which the violation occurred was properly posted in accordance with the provisions of this section shall create an inference that such lands were properly posted Figure the perimeter of a piece of property, every 100 yards, and the proper posting with associated markers gets expensive quick. There is a lot more revenue generated for the State from farmers than there is from saloon keepers, I just think we ought to be afforded the same consideration when it comes to posting requirements. Hunting generates a huge revenue stream, and all those hunters have to have land to do it on. They do it on farm ground. Where is the equity?

TCA 39-17-1305 © (3) ( For it to be a "Restaurant" it must derive 50+% of it's gross income from serving meals. Don't forget, the ABC has lobbied to make sure they stack the deck in favor of the liqueur lobby, food audits do not count any beverage with a alcohol by weight of less than 5% as an "alcoholic beverage". That is all your beer in TN.

Too bad more establishment Owners do not see it that way. Thanks for having the fortitude to stand up for good sense.

Were they 90% posted last year?

Having spent to date over $1,000.00 for "Proper Posting" signs for my property to keep trespassers off my farm, I am wondering if this new Restaurant Carry Bill does not give me some relief? If a circle with a slash through a handgun is considered sufficient for a business to be legal in posting against HCP carry, why would it not be OK to draw a circle with a slash through a stick man tacked up at proper intervals? Would that be good enough for prosecution of a trespasser on my farm?

He voted for the Omnibus Spending Bill and both versions of Cash for Clunkers. I don't read that as fiscally conservative.

Some fool wants the ability to carry and drink and you convict the rest of us with that broad brush? Did you see that anywhere in the proposed Bills? No you did not, and you will not here in TN. You can use that to beat the few who are not realistic, but not the rest of us who simply want the choice to carry and NOT drink, that is what the law was about last year, and this year. I would take you up on that. I have lived here all my life, spent a lot of time down on the MS River in some dives down there, and the ones that still exist, have guns all up in them, law or not. But whether they are called bars or churches, they are listed as Restaurants in TN. Change the law involving nomenclature, see how that works with the powers that be that own beer distributorships, you will cut into their profit by raising insurance rates due to the name change, and that is not going to happen. Too many higher ups in State power own establishments that either sell for consumption or distribute to them for any of that to happen. Is public intoxication not a crime as well? Have not seen many bicycle racks or horse hitching post outside most establishments that serve alcohol, so I would figure, as the owners of said establishments must too, that the average patron is arriving and leaving by automobile. And, given you statement about "everyone', then lets assume one out of three is driving at the end of the stay at the trough. My Federal tax dollars get used to produce and play all those "Buzzed driving is drunk driving" adds. They get us coming and going. Why don't they set up at the exits of the "bars" you speak so knowingly about? Seems like it would be good for business and good for liability and safety.

It was not a "bar" owner that filed the suit in Chancery Court against the legally, Legislative Chapter passed by our Legislature. It was a Restaurant Owner. Age limit arguments are specious, they apply only to smoking in TN, have nothing to do with alcohol. If there is a time limit that needs to be set to restrict firearms carry, wonder if the same should not apply to automobile operation, don't hear them wanting to figure out how to decide if their visitors have had too much to drink, just how to decide if they are carrying while within their walls. They rely on a law to keep guns out now, why not trust one to allow legal carry? If a law works now, it should work with a new set of rules. The ABC and the "Hospitality" lobby want to stay away from the insurance up-charge if their establishments are legally termed "bars", as well as the hardship regarding the local Southern Baptist if they have to list an establishment as a bar vs. a restaurant. If these establishments are so gung-ho for safety, let them put a breathalyzer at every exit and forcibly check their patrons as they leave and fire their cars up. While they are at it, check 'em on the way in, if the blow over the limit, refuse service. (Ever see that happen on Broadway?) Lets make the ABC require beer be factored into the "food audits", bet you will not see that change suggested. As it is, it is not considered an alcoholic bevearge for book keeping reasons. Try to sell that the THP at a DUI checkpoint, but it works for the ABC and their handlers.

I know better than to comment, and normally I wouldn't, :whistle:but come on. I have killed hundreds of hogs, not little pigs, but 500 lb. sows for sausage with a .22. Any shot to a human head would have to be a glancing blow to not plow straight through. I did contract crop deprivation removal of white tail deer in Texas, (pecan plantations, the deer really worked a number on the new grafts to root stock) always used a suppressed .22 rifle, angled away, behind the ear, straight on, between the eyes, or if a angled to me shot, thought the eye, bang flop. Used solids, if you hit the tennis ball they hit the ground, every time. Prohibition for discharging a weapon within a certain distance of a public right of way would be one concern. I understand the desire to put an animal out of it's misery, but I would want some sort of official permission to do so, no telling what the results might be given our society today. Speaking of the "animals do not feel pain" thing, I remember cutting the boar that served the sows at our feeder pig operation, had him in a head crush squeeze chute, that was the loudest sound I have ever heard. He weighed about 700 lbs., (you did not get in the freshening pen with him) the sound volume of his screams was unbelievable, might have been indignation which set that noise off, but it sure sounded like a pain squeal to me. Kept him up for 60 days to get the boar smell out of him, dropped him with the .22 like a rock.

I know the guys that do that, young Mr. Favara is a class act, you will be pleased with his product and service.

We are up to 8" of rain now, and it is still pounding. Jackson is pretty much flooded, culverts are washing out, lots of the smaller outlying communities are cut off by high water and sinkholes on the road ways. Water system for the County is down. Got to crawl under the house and turn my well back on to the plumbing system, (had to bring in county water when the wife had the kidney transplant) kids and grandkids all showed up over here. I still have power, (most of Jackson is shut down power wise too) need to get the toilets flushing again.