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Okay, I know the picture is not great (I just can't seem to figure out how to post with the correct size). But, here's the first range report. I only had time to shoot about 100 rounds. The first thing I noticed was the trigger, which is incredibly smooth (much better than the Bushmaster). It cycled well (no problems at all) and the recoil was slightly less than the Bushy. Although it isn't as balanced as the Bushmaster, I didn't notice it as much as I thought I would while shooting. It was also VERY accurate. I only shot from a max of 50 yards, but kept a 2" group (which is great for me from a standing position) with a cheap red dot sight. The Bushy appears to be slightly less accurate with approximately 3" groups with the same sight. I tried Federal 55g FMJ, Federal 55g HP, factory reloaded 55g FMJ, and factory reloaded 55g PSP (reloads from Wisconsin Cartridge). It ate everything without a hiccup. I used both steel mags and Magpul PMAGs. Overall, I was impressed with the SIG. A smooth shooter with better trigger pull and less muzzle rise than my Bushmaster. And, unlike many, I like the right side charging handle. My only complaint is that the mag release is slightly further forward than the AR, which means people with smaller hands (like me) have to stretch slightly to reach it.

Just arrived on Friday. Hopefully, I'll have a chance to shoot it tomorrow, but here are my first impressions: 1. I like the right-side charging handle. 2. Fit and finish is very good, although I bought it used. 3. It is a bit unbalanced. Although it only weights just over a pound heavier than my Bushmaster, it is "front heavy." We'll see how much of a problem that is at the CIS Defense Carbine class in September.

Here are my two. I picked up the Sig on Friday and haven't shot it yet.

Who's taking this class? I'll be there and would love to know how many TGO members are joining in the fun.

Joe, I am looking at the entry-level model (which you don't have in stock, I guess), so could you give me an idea on the price? PM if you'd rather not post it here. Thanks.

What shops in the Nashville area have the SIG 556 in stock? I looked at one today at Franklin Gun Shop, but I would rather buy from someone else. However, their price (at least on this gun) wasn't too bad (less than $1300). Thanks!

Please review that booklet again, specifically question and answer B2 on page 176 and 177 of the 2005 version (available here: http://www.atf.gov/pub/fire-explo_pub/2005/p53004/q_and_a.pdf). The answer states, "a person may only acquire a firearm within the person's own State, except he or she may purchase or otherwise acquire a rifle or shotgun, in person, at a licensee's permises in any State, provided the sales complies with State laws applicable in" both states. Under federal law, both the sale or gift by the original owner and the purchase or acceptance by the receiving person is prohibited unless the transfer meets one of the exceptions. That is, both persons have committed an offense.

Under the federal law, the prohibition against transferring a firearm to an out-of-state resident does not apply if "the transfer, transportation, or delivery of a firearm [is] made to carry out a bequest of a firearm to, or any acquisition by intestate succession of a firearm by, a person who is permitted to acquire or possess a firearm under the laws of the State of his residence." 27 CFR §478.30(a). However, technically, your friend did not inherit the guns or take possession through intestate succession (i.e.: no will). As you stated, what appears to have happened is the rightful owners (likely the mother-in-law) gave him the guns. Therefore, the federal exemption doesn't apply and the transaction was prohibited by federal law. Obviously, some of the previous advice regarding documentation is well taken. I have no idea if the BATFE would make an issue of it, but the technical answer is that someone has committed a federal offense.

I tend to agree, but keep in mind that the legislature doesn't have to ban ammo for there to be a problem. Just keep in mind the OSHA regulations that were proposed (but later withdrawn) from last year. http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1538&highlight=osha This was from a Republican administration. If we get a Dem administration, there's no telling what can happen and the Congress is all but powerless to do anything about it. Regarding gun prices, I tend to agree with Crimson. While I am no expert on predicting gun prices, I only see prices going up as the election nears.

You might want to look at the site below. These are the best prices I've seen on AKs (I've been shopping, as well.). http://www.centerfiresystems.com/ak_firearms.aspx However, if you would consider the Hungarian AMD-65s, this site has them a little bit lower than Centerfire Systems: http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/New_Long_Guns.html

Okay, I know this will go in two different directions, but they both show the lengths the anti-gun legislators (and law enforcement) will go to regulate gun ownership and possession. If anyone thinks the anti-gun crowd is not looking for EVERY possible way to control gun ownership, think again. I think the New Jersey law is a prime example of lengths they will go to regulate what you can do with a gun (even if they can't regulate ownership itself). First up, idiotic New Jersey law: http://reason.com/blog/show/127412.html Next up, D.C.'s new attempt to circumvent the Heller decision: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,377203,00.html And just for the heck of it, one gun control measure that I think we can all agree is good (see #6). Not gun related, but #5 is good and I can't even imagine what led to #8. http://media.www.ecollegetimes.com/media/storage/paper991/news/2008/07/03/Top10s/Top-Ten.Wtf.Us.Sex.Laws-3388114.shtml

I will post a new tread about the bill momentarily in RTKBA if interested. However (on topic), I would suggest getting a good AR and maybe a Saiga that you can convert later (buy mags now, though). I don't know that HR1022 will pass (and certainly not in its current form), but I agree that something is coming, especially if the Dems take control of the WH, House, and Senate.

Okay. I'm considering doing the conversion. How much would such a conversion cost. I understand the furniture may be the most expensive part of the conversion, but I really would need to keep the total cost under $500 to make it worth while. If I go much over that, I'll wish I'd just purchased another AR. Thanks for the encouragement.

Thanks, folks. $40 mags may make kick this rifle into the same cost area as the others I've looked at. I'm not interested in trying to do the conversion myself, so I doubt this type of rifle will fit the bill.

Thanks. I've read about the work on the mag well, but I couldn't find any information regarding the necessity of it if you didn't move the trigger. This will certainly affect my purchase decision. However, what about this one? http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=103999560 Do you think this one has gone through the conversion, or is the 30 round mag not going to work? The gun I am looking at is exactly like this one in appearance, but it comes with a 10 rd mag.

I am looking at Saiga .223 with skeleton stock, but was wondering about using 30 round AK mags. I've been reading about the Saiga conversions, but couldn't figure out whether a conversion was necessary to enable the skeleton stock version to use regular .223 30 round mags.

Exactly. What I am really thinking is buying a backup AR or an AK, but I would hold off if I had any confidence that prices would not go up significantly as we approach November. While I think McCain has a better than 50-50 chance, I'm really looking at a new purchase. Thanks guys.

I am fairly new to the "assault weapons" world, so I am asking this question of those members who remember the details of the Clinton AWB. Specifically, if someone owned a pre-ban AW, was that person legally capable of selling that AW to another citizen? Based on my legal research, I think the answer is "yes." However, if you have any specific knowledge on this, it would be appreciated. NOTE: For those who have read my Heller posts, you know that I have some concerns regarding the inevitable push for another AWB if the Dems take control in November. Assuming that happens, I am wondering (aloud) whether (at least if the new AWB looks like the old one) I could sell my AWs to others without legal liability. Thanks, and have a great 4th! Pray for our troops (past and present) today. We owe today to all of them.

Brandon, could you share exactly which ebay seller had the Holo for $150? I am only seeing these at something over $200.

Nightrunner, do you have one of these? Franklin Gun Shop carried these a year or so ago, but I haven't seen one since then. I am curious how sensitive the fingerprint pad is. I have a small safe with a fingerprint pad that requires you to drag your finger over the pad from one side to the other. That is, the pad will not read your finger by pressing straight down on it. As a result, several things have to be "just right" for the pad to read your print: (1) speed of your finger across the pad must be right, (2) the amount of pressure you put on the pad must be correct, and (3) the angle of your finger must be correct. In the end, the pad on my safe is almost worthless. I can get in much faster with the 4-digit electronic combination.

Sorry, I should have been more clear. A judge acts as the "13th juror" in cases where a jury finds a defendant guilty. What I was trying to say was that, if a jury finds that a defendant in a "castle doctrine" case acted unreasonably and therefore guilty, a judge can overrule the guilty verdict. A judge cannot find a defendant guilty where a jury finds the defendant not guilty. Likewise, an appellant court could toss a guilty verdict if the court finds that the jury was wrong. The evidence would need to clearly show that the defendant was acting reasonably and the jury basically ignored that provision of the law. The trial judge rarely overrules the jury, but it has happened. An appellant court reversal is more common, but obviously not a situation you would want to find yourself in. The idea of "jury nullification" is, at least in the legal community, arguing that the jury should ignore the law. For example, a defense attorney in a "castle doctrine" case could argue that the jury should find the defendant not guilty even though they believe the defendant was unreasonable in using force. That is, the defendant committed the elements of the crime. The Wikipedia entry is actually pretty good on this issue. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_nullification

Not to get too technical, because I think the prior responses are fairly accurate. However, the issue would be the two underlined requirements. "Degree" has the meaning of what type of force is justified while the "when" means what it sounds like it means. To some degree, the issue boils down to what a "reasonable person" would do in the same situation. "Reasonable" is basically whatever a jury thinks whether we would agree or not (although the judge or an appellate court could overrule the jury if they are patently ignoring the term "reasonable"). Generally, the more problematic issue would likely be a civil lawsuit. I can't tell you when the time is, there are simply too may factors making each particular situation different.

That must have just gone up in the last 24 to 48 hours. I even did a search on their website, but it didn't come up. Nevertheless, thanks for pointing it out. It still appears that it will be larger than the Kahr PM9. At 6" in length, I don't understand why the internet posts I've seen compare it to the Kel-Tec .38s. Oh well, sounds like I don't need to mess with a Taurus anyway.

Does anyone (particular the dealers) know anything about the new Taurus PT709? I saw it on the cover of a magazine this weekend, but the article didn't give the dimensions. I am curious if it is smaller than the Kahr PM9. I've read internet posts comparing it to the Kel-Tecs, but no one seems to know the dimensions.

Illinois, for one. http://illinoischannel.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!B0DB128F5CD96151!527.entry I also suspect states like Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Ohio, and Pennsylvania may reintroduce their bills (all of which have had pending AWBs pending in the past 3 years). Again, polilitical process, not judicial, but scary nontheless. Also read this. Maybe it will point out the "exceptions that swallow the rule" that could arise: http://volokh.com/archives/archive_2008_06_22-2008_06_28.shtml#1214522143 - may be overreacting, but we'll see. This issue just isn't as simple as most people think.