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From today's Richmond Times: ------------------------------------------------------------ The House of Delegates today voted 72-27 to approve a bill to allow holders of concealed weapons permits to carry concealed guns into bars. The holder of the gun would not be allowed to drink alcohol in the establishment. The bill now goes to Gov. Bob McDonnell, who has indicated that he will sign it. Gov. Timothy M. Kaine vetoed similar legislation last year. -------------------------------------------------------------- Funny...the actual legislation said nothing about "bars". Don't reckon the paper had its collective panties in a wad, do ya? Likely to go into effect July 1, as does most new legislation in VA.

State Sen Kyle yesterday annonced his withdrawal from the TN governor's race, citing the public's "hostility toward Democrats"...one can only hope that he is truly prescient, and this turns out to be a very hostile year for the jackasses.

LOL...yeah, Exit 7 is indeed a far cry from the Wild West - unless you are talking about traffic flows...

Just remember - he can't accept campaign donations while the legislature is in session.

Have a Henry lever gun in .357 that's a ball to shoot. Don't think you can go wrong here!

I have the Loaded Operator Micro Compact. Shoots better than I can. Had maybe one or two FTFs in the first hundred rounds, possibly as much due to me (first 1911 style for me) as anything else. Performed pretty much flawlessly since, and I've pushed over a thousand rounds thru it. So far, it's eaten WWB, Blazer (brass and steel), Magtech, Lawman and Win Ranger without indigestion.

Esmeralda O'Sheehan (www.esmeralda.cc). They are her Slender Compact grips, Thor's Hammer design on cocobolo. First one's she made for a Micro-Compact, and they fit like a glove.

Let's also not forget the EMP's (slightly) bigger brother...

I have its .40 cal brother. Very accurate shooter. One or two FTFs in first hundred rounds, no probs since. I had one mag that wouldn't lock slide when empty - called SA, and they ended up sending me a couple for free. Eats ball, Win Ranger SXT and Fed HS with nary a hiccup.

David Shumaker - he's a real tool. (No longer mayor, BTW, cause the elected elite pass the mantle around here.) I had contacted him back when Bristol was taking up the local parks ordinance against carry...we had a long "discussion" over the phone, during which he informed me that the 2nd amendment was as outdated as women's suffrage and slavery. At Council meeting later that night, he went on a long diatribe (conveniently omitting the "outdated" quote) in which he noted that the only purpose for a handgun was killing things - period...yet, he portrayed himself as a gun collector, was raised as a hunter, yada yada. Typical two-faced bleeding heart cerebral eunuch.

My wife has a small collection of Walthers...a pre-war, a German post-war, and several later ones. Everything from .22 to .380. All shoot great, and are comfortable to grip and fire. She carries one of her PPK/S probably 50% of the time.

Soooo...can we all put the rulers away and get back to an actual consideration of the bill/bills at hand? Theoretical posturing aside...how should our elected legislators approach these pieces of legislation? Here's the actual text of a similar bill (HB 171) passed by the VA House and awaiting consideration in the Senate: 1. That the Code of Virginia is amended by adding a section numbered 18.2-308.1:01 as follows: § 18.2-308.1:01. Firearms in locked vehicles; immunity from liability. A. No person, property owner, tenant, employer, or business entity shall maintain, establish, or enforce any policy or rule that has the effect of prohibiting a person who may lawfully possess a firearm from storing a firearm locked in or locked to a firearms rack in a motor vehicle in a parking lot, parking space, or other similar property set aside for motor vehicles. B. No person, property owner, tenant, employer, or business entity shall be liable in any civil action for any occurrence that results from or is connected to the use of a firearm that was lawfully stored pursuant to subsection A, unless the person, property owner, tenant, employer, or business entity commits a criminal act, willful misconduct or gross negligence involving the use of the firearm. C. Any person may enforce this section by filing a petition for injunction in the court of record of the county or city in which the person, property owner, tenant, employer, or business entity prohibiting the firearm is located. The court shall award actual damages, court costs, and reasonable attorney fees to a prevailing party. D. This section shall not apply to (i) property on which a person is prohibited from possessing a firearm by § 18.2-308.1; (ii) vehicles on property (a) to which access is restricted or limited through the use of a gate, security station, or other means of restricting or limiting general access onto the property; or ( upon which a building occupied by a single employer and its affiliated entities is located and in which access to the building is restricted or limited by card access, a security station, or other means of restricting or limiting general public access into the building; (iii) vehicles owned or leased by an employer or business entity and used by an employee in the course of his employment; or (iv) personal vehicles while such vehicles are being used for the transport of consumers of programs licensed by the Department of Behavioral Health and Developmental Services; (v) vehicles on property controlled by an employer required to develop and implement a security plan under federal law or regulation. BTW: 18.2-308.1 is the section of VA code preventing firearms carry on school property. Permit holders are allowed to possess (concealed) if they remain their vehicle. There are several features of this bill I personally don't like (1.D(a) and (); however, one attractive feature is the release of liability contained herein. This serves to allay the fears/hesitations expressed by many businesses, and was discussed during the TN summer session meeting as a potential amendment to pending TN legislation.

I've known Ron Ramsey for most of my 50-odd years. He and his family attend our church, and I get the chance to converse with him regularly. He has been very consistent in his support of 2A matters throughout his career. He is a fiscal and social conservative. I've never met either Wamp or Haslam, but I've not been impressed with either's actions or words. From my interactions with Ron over the years, I have little doubt that he would make an excellent governor.

Nice thing is, the family and I reap the benefits of these within a half-mile or so of our house. Most of our shopping and dining actually occur in VA (there's a 4.5% sales tax difference ), and the VA side of town cut some attractive deals with developers and businesses to bring in decent restaurants and merchants. Which highlights another thing we sometimes forget - the list of folks affected by our legislation/legislature reaches far beyond TN and those who "visit" here as tourists/business travel. There are 8 states that border ours and generate a substantial number of regular traffic. Those folks have to keep an eye on two (or even three, here - NC is only 25 minutes away) sets of laws pertinent to firearms regulation as a day-to-day matter in the course of their daily routine.

The Virginia House of Delegates was busy Tuesday. Among other things, they passed the following 2A related bills: --Allow gun owners without a concealed carry permit to lock handguns in a vehicle or boat. The Senate passed a similar bill. --Allow those with a concealed carry permit to take hidden guns into restaurants that sell alcohol as long as they don't drink. The Senate also passed this bill. --Allow concealed handgun permit holders to renew their permit by mail. This also passed the Senate. --Allow those who are denied a concealed handgun permit to have an appeals hearing. The Senate passed a similar bill. --Repeal the prohibition on buying more than one handgun a month that was enacted in 1993 because Virginia was the No. 1 supplier of guns used in crimes in other states. --Shield those who shoot intruders in their homes from lawsuits. --Restrict from federal regulation any gun made or sold in Virginia. --Shield from public access information on concealed handgun permit holders. --Require localities that hold gun buyback programs to attempt to sell or auction the guns to licensed firearms dealers before destroying them. --Repeal the requirement that sellers of pistols and revolvers furnish the Circuit Court with the name and address of the buyer and other information, and require existing records to be destroyed. --Prohibit any person, property owner, employer or business to block someone from locking a gun in their vehicle, and shield them from liability from anything that may happen with that firearm. --Ban localities from being able to prohibit hunting within a half-mile of a subdivision, but allow them to prohibit hunting within a subdivision. --Direct Virginia State Police to develop a plan to allow lifetime concealed handgun permits to state residents. Currently, permits are good for five years. --Prohibit localities from requiring fingerprints for a concealed carry permit. --Allow those with concealed handgun permits to take guns into emergency shelters. --Allow a retired law enforcement officer to carry a concealed handgun without a permit. --Allow court clerks to issue concealed handgun permits to applicants who meet all requirements without judicial review. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ There are a few on here I kinda wish TN would address Admission: this list was copied from a Richmond area newspaper article...could ya tell? LOL, yeah, I thought so...

Did you note the committee chair refer to March 10 as "gun day"? He advised the sponsor of the Memphis school police force bill that he might not want to carry his bill to March 10 (3 weeks) cause that was gonna be "gun day".

Supt. of the Memphis school system is arguing that the "security force" needs to have a different mindset/approach: one that acknowledges the educational setting and conforms its actions more to that paradigm, as opposed to the more traditional "enforcement" approach that any/all police departmenst will have. At least, that was what I got out of his missive to the subcomittee today. Personally, I think he's just deeply steeped in academic ozone, and has such a bad case of cranio-rectitis he only sees the world through his navel.

Members of the band, like many of us, have matured considerably over the years - at least, those who are still alive. The lyrics you quote are older than you are, and reflect Ronnie Van Zant's youth...the lyrics in my sig are from their latest album, God and Guns, coming along after some 30+ years of seasoning.

Egad - this woman's a freakin' nut!!! Check out her insane questions on SB0842 in the Senate Judiciary Committee meeting Feb 16. She even went so far as to ask why the hunter should be armed - were the deer armed? Do they need it to keep other hunters from poaching their deer? Jackson's reply at 1:28 is priceless - "show me a need to RESTRICT the right to carry a firearm, and we can discuss that"... My gosh, how did anyone ever decide to send her to office....

Here's the entire content of HB1801: SECTION 1. Tennessee Code Annotated, Section 39-17-1351( , is amended by adding the following language at the end of the subsection:"Handgun carry permit" may be used interchangeably with "weapon carry permit" in this section and any other provision of this code pertaining to handgun carry permits. SECTION 2. This act shall take effect upon becoming a law, the public welfare requiring it. I wonder if this is added to dovetail with the wording used by some other states, so as to "prevent" any misunderstandings RE reciproity, etc? TN calls them HCPs - some states issue "weapons carry permits", however.

During the summer session meeting concerning one of these bills, one of the primary concerns expressed by opponents was the potential liability they perceived if possession as described in the bill was allowed (ie, locked in car out of sight). Several legislators indicated they would be inclined to amend the bill to insert specific relief from such liabilities - indeed, they said they have done so on similar issues in the past. That would allay the expressed concerns by the opponents....if, indeed, those are really their objections. Listening to FedEx's presentation, I don't believe they were quite forthright and upstanding....

HB1807/SB0576

I've heard from some local legislators that its not likely this one will surface in this session of the legislature. It is perhaps even more politically charged than the restaurants bill, and there are those who believe it would be better to wait for potentially better committee chairmanships to be established in the next legislature before a real push be mounted.

HB 1645 (Jones)/SB 723 (Tate) is seeking to authorize the Memphis school system to set up its own fully functional police force (?!?). This one comes before House Criminal Practices subcommittee 2/17 - I'll be interested in hearing the school system's presentation as to why they need this seemingly extreme measure. Something tells me I'm gonna be glad I live on the opposite end of the state... Thoughts from those more familar would sure be appreciated...

It certainly has greater benefit for the state's permit holders. That will also likely make it a more difficult sell to some legislators. Personally, I'd like to see Jackson's bill go to table, and see Dennis' move on..but there are those who seem to think Denis' bill may be too much right now. I dunno. Back to the actual topic of the thread - Jackson's bill did NOT make it onto the committee agenda yesterday (Feb 10). Right now, none of the proposed bills from this or the previous session relative to carry and alcohol (or to carry in parking lots) appear on defined calendars. I guessing/hoping this means that key legislators and their friends are doing the propoer "ground preparation" work necessary so that these seeds may find fertile soil when they are cast... EDIT - I now see that the Jackson/West bill is calendered to go before the House Criminal Practices subcommittee on Wed, 2/17, along with a host of West's other bills from last session. Let's see what happens there...