MacGyver

S&W's numbers were posted in the WSJ earlier this week: I can't find any public data for Glock, even though it seems like I've seen it somewhere. Maybe someone else can post a reference. I think we may have a few members here who have close to that number of Glocks...

I've got it penciled in for 1730CST.  I've got too much junk to get done to do any earlier.

In the words of John Prine, "50 million Elvis Presley fans can't be all wrong."   The Glock is at the top of a lot of lists - durability, simplicity and ease of maintenance.   There are some great guns out there.  There's a reason the Glock is the best selling pistol in America. 

Agreed.

Listening to Mark Warner on NPR this morning was illustrative.  A ban is being treated by the media as a forgone conclusion - it's all about how much more they're willing to ban.  And, the conversation is shifting.  They're taking the debate from, "you'll never rid the streets of guns", to "surely fewer guns are better, right?"   I'm beginning to think that a lot rides on Boehner's ability to ride herd as we approach the fiscal cliff.  His Plan B already has a bunch of Republicans ready to jump ship.  If he loses them here, we've lost any hope of them sticking together on this.

Dont kid yourself.  Our society, despite its modern veneer is but a few days from killing one another over cigarettes and toilet paper.

I personally don't feel like we need to give up anymore of our cake.  We've won a lot of legislative victories over the last decade and not a few court cases to boot.  We've got a strong position.   I think Mike is right.  The brilliant strategy by those who want more control and their lackeys in the media is to divide us.  The question asked is not, "are you willing to make concessions?"  Instead, it's, "how much are you willing to give up?"  At least two "A-rated" legislators have come out ready to throw us under the bus so far this week.   I think the two good options available to us right now are to call our representatives - repeatedly and to start having an intelligent discourse with those around us.  I'm not terribly active on Facebook, but I may start posting some stuff there to get some conversations started.   For instance:   Average police response time in minutes for: Nashville - 9:00 Detroit - 24:00 Denver 11:00 Tuscon 10:11 Atlanta 11:12   Everyone wants the police to have high capacity magazines, and yet the police are always and will always be second responders.  If someone is intent on doing my family harm, 9:00 in Brentwood is way too long.

That's super cool!  Thanks for sharing that with us.

That's pretty rich.

I'd guess that is probably a lot closer when you consider people under 21 and those ineligible to own firearms.

<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="AdotOdot4" data-cid="864072" data-time="1355982057"><p> I'm curious where you get 30 million? I've only heard 8-10 million permit holders.</p></blockquote> You're correct. I was on my phone and mistyped. There are roughly 10.6 million permit holders. We're about 3% of the population - not 10%.

I got it too. My money's on Bob Pope is selling us out.

<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="gregintenn" data-cid="863910" data-time="1355969104"><p> We got our butts kicked last month. :hiding: Just sayin...</p></blockquote>very true. But, it's interesting to go poll democrats who lost in 1994. In hindsight, a lot of them view voting for the AWB as the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back.

The Republican Revolution of 1994 likely wouldn't have happened without the AWB. There are 10 million permit holders in America. This doesn't even consider other gun owners. We represent a voting block to be respected. We don't need to give up any more of our cake. We need to have intelligent conversations about the nature of evil and brokenness. We need to remind our elected officials of this daily.

Cool!

If you're pending, you're already in their database anyway.    Worst of both worlds.    If it were me, I think I might let it proceed. 

You should have let us know you were coming through.  We could have met you up there and let you check out their range.   You never call.  You never write...;)   Seriously.  Let us know next time you're coming through.

All I can say is remember who your friends are and who is out there just to make a quick buck off of a panic.  Gun stores need us when times are normal.  They think they can get away with mistreating everyone during a panic without suffering consequences.   If we all stop supporting these places even after some manner of normalcy returns, they might suffer some of the market consequences they so deserve.   By all means, call them on it publically.  Let them know that they've lost a customer, and that negative word of mouth is far more destructive than all the good reviews out there can be.

Even their corrections need corrections.

Raven Concealment Phantom LC   It really starts and stops there for me.

From Slate.com this morning.  Click through if you absolutely must.  An article on using correct nomenclature to talk about guns stating, here are "All the words you need to know to talk about guns"  I love the corrections section, quoted below:     I kind of feel like I did when I was in college working as a ranger out west.  When one of our fellow rangers would get a "dear john" letter, we'd post it on the wall of the ranger office, and everyone who came through would edit it for grammer and spelling with a red pen.  After an appropriate amount of time for comment, we'd put it in an envelope and send it back.   Just to be clear, understand that this is what we're up against.

I'm happy to meet and let you shoot mine sometime this week. I'm in Nashville.

Also from the Journal yesterday, James Taranto is one of the best voices out there today.  This is from his usually satirical Best of the Web Today.

At least someone gets it.  Good article.   From the WSJ this morning:   http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323723104578185271857424036.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop

Y'all should remember this when things are back to "normal".  They've got a history of this, and it is inexcusable.   We as gun owners should speak with our wallets - which is the only thing they'll hear and help to put them out of business.   They're nothing but opportunists selling to a panicked market.  They should be recognized as such.