MacGyver

Welcome to TGO, everyone!  Having spent the first 18 years of my life in Atlanta, I still have a fondness for the place.  Y'all have a lot of law from a firearms perspective that we would love to have up here in Tennessee.  Unfortunately, taking this same walk in any park in any major metro area in Tennessee would have you arrested with a different end result.   I'll be honest in saying that my first impulse is to shut this thread down - for two reasons.  One, is that we suddenly have an influx of people from outside of our immediate community coming onto the board to jump into this thread.  The second is that experience tells me that these open carry threads generally only go one way, and that folks will keep pushing the issue as long as they have a platform to speak.  I'm going to go against my impulse for now and keep this thread open, but everyone please be cognizant of TGO's code of conduct.  This thread is on thin ice, so to speak.   After reading the initial article that was posted here, the court documents and the majority of the thread over on GeorgiaPacking, here's the thing that just doesn't sync up for me - I just can't level set that this particular walk on this particular day had to result in Mr. Proescher getting arrested.    I'll agree that he shouldn't have been arrested.  I'd like to support his ability to carry openly.  It wasn't long ago in Georgia that this by itself would have constituted a crime.  I'm glad the security company settled and the Mr. Proescher got enough money for a nice AR out of it (though I will say that I've never seen a settlement agreement that doesn't have a confidentiality clause that prohibits talking about the outcome).  I'm glad this case hopefully resulted in some better training for somebody.  But, I fail to see how this case advances our rights, our agenda at large as gun owners or our message with the public at large.   This isn't the Woolworth's lunch counter, y'all.   I know that we trend towards these all or nothing positions these days, but I'd argue that we can all step back from the edge just a little bit.   I'd argue that there's some distance between Gestapo'ish "papers please" police force and a police officer who's just trying to figure out if a person with a gun on his hip represents a threat.   I'd argue that there's a little distance between helping less-informed officers understand the law as it exists and being non-cooperative.   I'd argue that there's some distance between being civil and how these encounters so often go.   There's some distance between having the government on your front porch and going to seek the man out so you can poke him with a stick.   I'll give Mr. Proescher a wide latitude as he presents his version of events.  But, I personally level set that with his statement in his signature over on GeorgiaPacking that he "will not answer questions, I will not produce identification."  I'll level set it with the fact that he left his license in the car, but brought his recorder with him.  I'd argue that had he presented a license - despite the fact that the law does not technically require it - he would have driven out of there that afternoon.   Like I said, I'll give the gentleman a bit of latitude, but looking at what we do know - regardless of whether the guard changed his story or not - it sure looks like he went out that day prepared to be detained, whether or not he actually expected it when it happened.   This case may actually hurt the community because now there's opinion in Georgia that open carrying is reasonable suspicion to detain.  I didn't see in the GeorgiaPacking thread that the decision was going to be appealed.    I'm sorry, but I just don't see how this helps the community of gun owners at large. 

Truth is, the vast majority of trans fats are already gone. The FDA is well behind the class action industry. They've just codified the threats.

Correct. It's a pretty simple tool with a jig to index it and make sure it turns at the proper twist rate.

I actually think in the case of the gun printed above they printed the barrel with rifling. But, it's worth picking up a copy of Foxfire 5. It's got a couple hundred pages of old school flintlock making with great descriptions of how they rifled their handmade barrels. I'm not saying the average joe is going to start rifling his own barrels; just that it's worth it to learn how they used to do it.

Rifling isn't necessary when you're talking Archduke Ferdinand distances that get the political class all itchy.

It's a desktop 4-axis machine. Bought around 2005. I'd post a link, but I'm on my phone. It's a Taig mini mill upgraded to CNC capability by MicroProto Systems. You need to talk to a used equipment dealer in a major market like Atlanta. There are still some deals out there. I learned on a mid 60's bridgeport. Great machines.

They didn't ask for his permit.  They asked for ID and he would only provide his permit.

Something that you really need to consider when looking at vests is not just how much gear they can strap on there, but how that gear is placed and more importantly, how you're going to use it. Look at the vest listed above: That belt is useless. It looks like it holds a lot of stuff, but let's think about it a little bit. First, the cross draw. There's a place for it, but just like small of the back carry, there's a good potential that in a stressful situation you're going to be sweeping yourself with the muzzle for part of your draw. You can make your own decisions, but it's not for me. Next, let's look at those pistol mag carriers. Go through the motions of removing a mag from a pouch up around your shoulders. It's wonky at best. I don't have a problem with the rifle mag carriers - but they've gone and stitched an admin pouch above it. If the pocket is there, you're going to stuff something in there. Well...now you've got an issue when you're trying to get a good grip on your rifle magazines and they're going to hang up when you try and extract them. We've got a bunch of folks on here who have spent more than their fair share of time downrange over the last decade getting shot at for a living. Most would be happy to share their rigs. Here's are two great setups by guys whose lives have depended on them: http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/topic/35847-new-equipment/?p=597123 http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/topic/68590-hsgi-sure-grip-belt/?p=1016301

For "casual" use that mostly resembles sitting in a closet, the Condor and Voodoo Tactical vests are fine.   Like you said above, it's a substantial investment.  If you're considering it really is a buy once purchase, we're it me, I'd spend a little more money and go with someone like Tactical Tailor or Eagle Industries.  The difference is worth it.

And I'm all for showing the emperor without his clothes, so to speak.   We own and use both a 3D printer and a CNC mill.  Both were purchased for less than $2,000.  The economy falling off the cliff in 2009 put so many small tool and die shops out of business that you can still find lightly used machines for pennies on the dollar.    For that matter, the internet and rapid-prototyping companies like FirstCut have made rolling your own more economical than ever - why bother with buying and setting up your own equipment when there are dozens of companies that will machine you parts from your own drawings for $99.   It's funny to watch them try to stuff Pandora back in his box.  It's sad to realize that they actually think they can succeed - and yet these are our "leaders".

The .dxf file that generates the print file is exactly the same as the .dxf file that generates the g-code for a milling machine.   I'm excited to see all of the popular support for 3D printing as it's dropping costs and promoting innovation.    But don't kid yourself.  This is not an amazing new way to manufacture a gun.  People who want a gun that can't be traced buy one off the street.  People who are looking for one-shot zip guns like the Liberator aren't going to print one.  They're going to go to the hardware store, spend $25, and make their own out in the garage with nothing more than a few hand tools.

Y'all are going to be disappointed in that vest.    I know the price is attractive, but a lot of the "tactical vests" on the market today are overblown photojournalist vests that they ran in ACU instead of khaki.   It might be okay if the only time you're going to put it on is when you take out the trash and then promptly go back inside, but wear it longer than that and you'll be disappointed.  The craftsmanship, fit, adaptability and durability of that vest are lacking.   If you're looking for a vest, it's worth the money to get an actual MOLLE equipped plate carrier that you can customize when you figure out that the placement of all those magazines, Twinkies and whatever else you strap on there isn't to your liking.  Or, if you're not going to use all that real estate to actually carry armor, you might consider a good belt and some mag carriers like HSGI makes.

Yep.  The best 10/22 trigger job is a call to Tony Kidd.

You can't use a Georgia permit for ID.  It's a laminated card for some crazy reason in 2013 does not have a picture on it.   This is a non-story.  This guy went looking for a confrontation with law enforcement and they obliged.

Creive Hall is a nice are that is still relatively undervalued.  Pretty convenient to everything, too.

That's correct, Dave.  We'd still do the normal secret santa.  This would just be a sub-group.

And, as far as makers go, we can cast a pretty wide net.  Man.  We've got blacksmiths, blade makers, leather workers, wood workers and all kinds of craftsmen.  I'd even extend it out to the canning crowd, beer makers and wine makers, etc... (assuming that it's okay to mail/exchange that stuff).

Let's see how much interest there is, but let's assume we're going with either/or.   Either you're in with the makers or the buyers.   If there's enough interest, maybe we'll do two separate exchanges. 

We've got quite a few makers of various sorts on the board.  I'm wondering if there's any interest in a handmade subgroup within the Secret Santa exchange?   Basically, when you sent me your name, you'd indicate that you'd like to participate in the handmade group.  You'd be paired with another maker. You would give something you made and get something someone else made.   Seems like this might be pretty fun.   Anybody interested before I post it in the larger thread?    

Why say it with a card when you can say it in the yard...

Why yes I did.   And let me note for the record that if you sign up to participate and then stiff someone, the consequence will affect your further affiliation with this community.

To do list:   Dress up in my camo Strap on a gun Walk around a playground Wait for someone to call to the police Wait for police to arrive Refuse to identify myself Refuse to leave when asked Feign surprise when they arrest me Make bail Post my story to the internet Revel in the righteous indignation within the echo chamber that I exist   I'm sorry.  People can "lawfully exercise their rights" all they want.  Like so many of the other open carry "evangelists", this man went looking for a confrontation and found it.  That's not helpful to the community of gun owners at large.

I don't see the story, here.  Seems to me he found the confrontation he was looking for.

I was a speaker at an event yesterday where I followed Jeb Bush, who was the keynote speaker.   For a guy who purports to be done with politics, his speech sure sounded like a guy who's thinking about a run in the future.

I'll be glad to coordinate. Respond publicly here. PM me with your details.