MacGyver

I added a closing brace to your post above to close your quote.   I fully agree that the executive branch is grabbing power in ways that our founding fathers couldn't foresee when they created coequal branches of government.  And the executive branch isn't alone.  The legislative and judicial branches have certainly availed themselves of every opportunity they could to grab power as well.  Power is attracted to power, and statists are going to state - if you will.  What else should we expect?  That's the nature of institutions that are unchecked by their constituent members.   But, Obama's speech yesterday wasn't that of a dictator.  I'm not a fan of the man, and I'd love to seem him leave office a frustrated man.  But, let's give the process credit where it's due.  He gave a speech yesterday outlining his particular vision of the future, and half of the legislative branch just rejected it outright.  His party is stampeding for the exits and that's a good thing.   He's not making laws, yet.  Even if Democrats had gone for his plan yesterday, it would have still had to have been introduced by Congress.   It may not be perfect.  It may not be going our way.  But the process is holding for now.

For the impeachment crowd, I'd argue what does it matter?  What's the fight going to get you?   Let's fight the battles where we can make a difference.  The GOP needs to have a unified message right now that this whole mess is but a portent of things to come if you let the government take over healthcare.  Mind you, then they have to offer a compelling plan of their own, and that's when the wheels start to come off.

You could argue both sides of that last paragraph.  One would hope that the American people won't allow the government to expand a program that they've already shown themselves incompetent to run.  On the other hand, I can see the administration making the case that they can't get this right because there are so many players in the mix, and they need to nationalize to make it work.    I don't think you can get to there from here, though.   The interesting thing about all of this is that it's nothing other than posturing.  This bill - assuming Harry Reid allows it to come up for a vote does nothing.  Obama has already said that he'll veto the Upton bill if it comes to his desk, and I don't know that either chamber has the votes to override a veto.  So, really all this bill has done is to allow 39 blue dog democrats political cover for next year by allowing them to say, "we listened to our constituents."   Meanwhile, this train wreck rolls on.  Nothing real has changed.  And today makes it harder to get change.  Mind you, I'm okay with that - and I'm one of the ones who gets hurt by my rates going up 250%.  Obama has misjudged.  He thought his mea culpa yesterday would make it better somehow.  Yet, his pride (and increasingly I think his pride alone) will prevent him from allowing this law to be changed until it's too late.   My position remains unchanged.  The DNC has never met a sure thing that they can't find a way to screw up.

  I've been thinking about this all day, and I thought I'd give some insight into an administrative action I took last night.  A look behind the curtain if you will.   We can have conversations about race on TGO.  We regularly have good discussions on a variety of issues here, and there aren't really any topics that are verboten.  That said, when we're talking about difficult or potentially controversial issues, our position is pretty much the same as we discussed in the post regarding anti-law enforcement threads - either bring something to the discussion or don't participate.   We have almost 20,000 users on TGO at this point.  People from every area of the state and every background are represented.  Not everyone looks like you.  Not everyone has the same views as you.  I wouldn't ask anyone to change their views just to please someone else.  Far to the contrary, we encourage good debate on conversations that are worth having.  But, we do ask that everyone show some respect for the other voices at the table.    When it comes to racial issues, TGO will not tolerate hateful language.  Period.  It colors all of us as a community in a negative light. 

  I think a change in language might be useful here.  Regardless of how most non-progressives feel about him, there's still a lot of distance between Obama as the elected President of the United States and "dictator".   He's not torturing, imprisoning or killing political opponents.  He's not outlawing the press.  People are still free to gather.  People are still able to protest.  This current debate surrounding healthcare is a wonderful example of that.   He just lost a vote in the House with 39 Democrats joining the Republicans in a 261-157 vote to reject his "vision" from yesterday and act on their own.    One can argue a lot about the abuses of Executive power, and frankly that doesn't rest solely in the lap of this administration.  But, we're a long way from a dictatorship.   I only make this point because I think language is important - and lacking in the national discourse right now. 

I'm so done with this...

Stupid knows no geographic boundaries.

I've always thought if their end goal was a single payer system, then the ACA was a brilliant opening move, as no private entity can compete with an organization that is willing to operate at a loss quarter after quarter. If you're really wanting a good conspiracy theory to chew on, maybe the "failed" rollout was actually planned to accelerate the transition... Personally, I don't buy that theory. I don't think they're smart enough to pull it off.

He has no intention of changing the law.  This whole thing was designed to try and slow down the developing stampede of Democrats who were going to vote with the House Republicans tomorrow.  The only major difference between what Obama offered and what the House has proposed is that the Republican plan would continue to sell "cancelled" plans for the next year, where the Obama plan would nix new enrollment.   Problem is.  All of the major insurers have already acted in good faith to obey the portion of the law that went into effect 44 days ago.  The insurers aren't going to play ball.   If the GOP is smart (and those are long odds), they'll use whatever clout they have with big business (the insurers) to get the message out that this "administrative fix" isn't going to help address the problems.  At this point, if they push, they can likely really get a year delay - which takes it out past the mid-term elections.  Assuming they can get on message and actually bring some people to their side (again not holding out a lot of hope), they could possibly take enough seats to attempt a real repeal - which the president will veto - and we'll have two years of absolute gridlock - which I'm okay with.

This is nothing but trying to give Democratic lawmakers cover to avoid voting for the House Republican plan being offered tomorrow.   It sounds like a delay, but pragmatically it exactly nothing.  Health Insurance companies have already acted in good faith, assuming the law would be implemented.  The plans have already been cancelled.  And none of them are going to jump through hoops to act against their own self interest (any more so than the ACA already requires) to renew a plan that's going to be constantly bad mouthed and cancelled again in a year anyway.   And yet...

Mind you, Tiffany doesn't look like she weighs 100lbs. with her boots on, but that thing is a lot bulkier in person than I expected from the pictures - and not in a good way.   There appear to be a couple of quality issues that present themselves right away.  I don't like the plastic picatinny rail.  It also doesn't look like the threads for the rail inserts are anything but plastic.    I'm sure they'll do a hi-cap mag at some point, so that issue will likely become moot - but who knows when that's going to happen.   At almost $700 - assuming their online price is accurate, there are a lot of other weapons in a more proven platform that I'd consider.  A Beretta PX4 Storm can't be too much more than that.  If you're going to go with a 16" barrel and not SBR it, you could probably build a DDLES or Lonewolf pistol caliber carbine for that kind of money, too.

Bumping this up for a few more days.  I'll send out names on Monday.   If you want in, please make sure you've responded to this thread and sent me your Name and shipping address via PM with a designation of whether you want to be included in the regular secret santa or the handmade variant.

Bumping this up for a few more days.  I'll send out names on Monday.   If you want in, please make sure you've responded to this thread and sent me your Name and shipping address via PM with a designation of whether you want to be included in the regular secret santa or the handmade variant.

I know...scary isn't it. 

Appreciate it.    While we're not necessarily striving for a "family show", you'll note if you search for just about anything firearms related in Google that TGO is pretty likely to come up within the first 10 results.  We'll just say that a lot of people read these pages.  We're not trying to cater to anyone.  But, we're trying not to let them take the easy shots when they judge all of us rednecks with too many guns, either.

  Dangit wasn't the one that generated the comment.

I carried that same CRKT knife for a couple of years. I don't know what it was about that clip, but the combo of the clip and the thumb stud in such close proximity could wear through a pair of jeans faster than any other knife I've ever had. +1 on the grip extension. And despite the abundance of .380 pocket rockets available today - I don't know that the Seecamp's equal has been produced, yet.

  Can we nix the creatively misspelled bad words designed to get around the filter?  I know some of you don't necessarily care for it, but we've got it in place for a reason.

Man, you were on the list of people who made an account over at CMT and got it converted to the TGO group.  You should have gotten at least one email with instructions from CMT on October 11th -not to mention all the talk in the threads here of ordering being open.   Sorry!

You could call these guys:  http://prbutcher.com/   Likewise, you might check with a local processor.

I'm closing this thread.    Everybody's had ample opportunity to say everything they wanted to say, and yet I doubt that anyone has changed their minds about anything.   So, congratulations.  I guess.

I've got you.   I've got a Micro Eagle as well.  It's a well built little pistol, but the Seecamp is in a whole different class. 

Make sure you don't get a "California edition" without handling it first.  The safety is pretty wonky on those models IMO.   They're very well built.  Your grandkids will likely fight over it long after you're gone.

I've always enjoyed the Seecamp family.  Great little pistols.   Why the .32 instead of the .380?  Other than 5 hundredths on the grip width, they're the same size and capacity.    I haven't priced them in a while, but I'm guessing the .380 is still seeing a bit of premium on the price.

Agreed. But as soon as the bedwetters figure out that this guy: Used the same components that make this: Combined in bulk to do this: They're going to try and ban it. We all know it's pointless, but it doesn't mean they're not going to work themselves up trying to criminalize it. I mean, you can't even go and buy your kid a chemistry set anymore...