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This one is from Missouri. Here's their front side: http://www.learntocarry.com/nogunsnomoney/NoGunsNoMoney-Variety.pdf The back side version for Tennessee is ready and waiting for a clean TGO logo? PM sent to TGO David.

The cards I have seen from other states politely say that because they post, you will take your business elsewhere. Am working on one now.

Just watched WSMV coverage. Was satisfyingly unbiased.

Am wanting a chance to fire a LCR. I know the LCP is kinda brutal. I bet the LCR hurts more than the 642.

plus real butter and sausage! My 3 year old daughter's favorite book right now is "If You Give A Pig A Pancake"

When I supported large enterprise networks, we stayed as far away from CA products as possible. That company is incredibly accomplished at buying a good product, sucking the life out of it, milking the revenue for all it's worth and running it into the ground. I remember one time helping a company prepare for their DOD certification and accreditation to handle classified data ... we were on a conference call going over the various methods that would be utilized to meet the DOD's requirements for a secure network and systems. This company happened to be a CA vendor and wanted to use CA products for everything, including things that they were not designed to do. In one phone call the DOD reps stated, "CA is not on our approved vendor list. Don't ask again." My professional opinion ... the McAfee product is excellent. In an enterprise environment I have also supported Symantec, CA and a couple of other weird ones. However there are so many variants of malware and so many really talented and financially motivated people writing them that nothing is going to be able to keep up. Many of the serious malware break-ins that I've been recently aware of involve attacks that are many days, if not weeks or months, ahead of what the anti-malware companies are able to respond to. I think three years ago I was consulting at an insurance company and we discovered an active virus spreading between Christmas and New Years. Turns out the thing had gotten in after Thanksgiving and just hadn't taken off yet. Because both people who had regular contact with the AV provider were on vacation, it took us nearly all day to get them to accept the sample files. It then took another half day for a "supplimental signature" ... another "supplimental" was sent to us the next day. I think it took that vendor over 72 hours from us reporting it to them putting the signature in their general release. Consider that it might then take a company multiple days, or even a couple of weeks, to get every system updated... there is no way to win via the old fashioned signature based AV. That said, I run AVG on my XP laptop and NOTHING on my Macs! BTW, AV software does NOT make a system or the data on it secure. If anyone cares, I am a CISSP (look it up).

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The Cubs did a couple of interesting moves in the top of the 9th tonight. They had their only leftie reliever in and Cardinals had the bases loaded. Lou did a double switch, moving the pitcher to left field to bring in a different pitcher to face one batter. That batter struck out. Lou then moved the pitcher back from left field to the mound to pitch to the next batter, putting (I assume) a regular outfielder into left. ESPN guys didn't seem to like that the umpire crew allowed it. Joe Morgan said that once a pitcher was pulled from the mound he shouldn't be allowed to go back. Inning ended when new left fielder trapped the ball and umps said he caught it. Cardinals won anyway!!

While several items on it are funny, many are bigoted. It is embarrassing to find on this forum. Sorry, I lived 11 years in Yankee country and had to put up with quite a bit of anti-Southern bigotry. This would have been very popular up there.

Before I ask my question, please note that I lived out of state for most of my adult life, just returning last year. I have not followed the gun issues here until the past few months. After 10 years in one of the two states that deny any type of legal concealed carry, it's just great to be back home. In the posting about the Attorney Generals of the majority of states filing an amicus brief supporting the application of the 2nd Amendment to the states, it was noted that TN AG Cooper did not join them. In the past few months, my observation is that AG Cooper has thoughtfully applied the law in his opinions in a manner that could be represented as pro-HCP. In both cases, IMHO, the law has been clear enough that his opinions could not really have been any other way. So can someone explain why AG Cooper might have chosen to not join in that amicus brief? Does he have a historical position that could be considered anti 2nd Amendment or anti gun? Is there any reason to consider that he will not aggressively defend the restaurant carry law tomorrow?

The original slant of the story/complaint is not accurate. As I read more details, the officer took control of the weapon and returned it upon releasing the guy. Louisiana State Police have published the following directions to CHP holders: I think Cedric (I've spent time with him, so I feel comfortable using his first name), handled the phone call pretty well. It might have been best for him to not describe what happened as suspending any constitutional rights. He would have done much better if he had known the rules and merely quoted the directions above. I still won't go back there without a gun.

I lived in Shreveport 6.5 years... with a carry permit for half of that. An interesting point in this ... LA grants your car the same right of privacy as your home. I believe Cedric Glover may have been involved in a gun buy-back program in the mid-90s. He was a nice guy and, though liberal, was not a nut case. When I moved to Shreveport in 1990, it had one of the highest per-capita homicide rates in the US. There was (and probably still is) an extraordinary amount of gang violence. It's a city where in certain neighborhoods people took to sleeping on the floor so they would be less likely to be shot by stray bullets. My mother in law still lives there. I will visit there again, but will only go armed. I will never live there again.

The WI Atty Gen had to issue an opinion that open carry by itself is not grounds for a disorderly conduct charge. That state is full of people who complain to the police about the smallest things... and police tend to write up disorderly conducts on a whim. I'm so glad to be back home in TN!

Maybe they just sounded off for the newspaper and are not gonna follow through.

Completely off topic ... and I am NOT suggesting anything, but... I wonder if lawmakers would vote any differently if guns were allowed in Legislative Plaza...? Ok, back to our regularly scheduled program.

Update on Short Springs Nature Area... the TUB GIS indicates the majority is owned by the State. There is a small triangle (where a Charter tower used to be) that is owned by Tullahoma. Thus we can be confident this area is HCP clear as of July 1.

Thanks! In the case of Short Springs, I believe it's just right-of-way property for transmission lines.

PM sent ... but for anyone else who comes across this, here's a list of all 615 waterfalls in Tennessee: Tennessee Landforms -- Waterfalls

Slightly, but not really, off topic... what is the status of HCP on TVA land?

I hiked Machine Falls and Busby Falls today ... didn't see a single snake. I did see a tiny mention of no firearms on a small bulletin board inside the park. The State defines the park as SHORT SPRINGS CLASS I SCENIC-RECREATION STATE NATURAL AREA. Since the law specifies HCP carry legal in a "natural area... owned or operated by the state...", it is my opinion that Short Springs falls in with all other State parks and has been legal for HCP carry since July 1. But one might argue that Short Springs is owned by the combination of the City of Tullahoma, the State and TVA and thus Tullahoma can exempt the park. In this case, the law is clear on jointly owned or operated properties: If such area is jointly owned or operated by municipalities or counties, then a resolution adopted by a majority vote of all affected legislative bodies, voting individually, is necessary for such municipalities or counties to prohibit persons authorized to carry a handgun pursuant to § 39-17-1351, from possessing such handgun while within such park. The State's position is clear that HCP shall be permitted. That might only leave TVA as a problem. But because the law is only specific in the case of areas jointly owned or operated municipalities or counties, I suspect the State's preemption law comes into play. Thus it is my lay opinion that Short Springs is already HCP cleared! ... just don't shoot the snakes.

Instrumentality: a subsidiary organ of government created for a special purpose; "are the judicial instrumentalities of local governments adequate?"; "he studied the French instrumentalities for law enforcement" Thus the phrase "instrumentality thereof" in (3)(d) is a subsidiary of the city or county government, such as the "committee appointed by the body to regulate public recreational property" specified a few lines earlier. However in (3)(e)(1), that would be a subsidiary of the state... and my guess is this could potentially mean a city or county government that was acting at the direction of the state in the specific purpose. An example in this instance could possibly be the City of Tullahoma, who jointly operates the Short Springs Nature Area. I'd need a lawyer or two dozen to determine that. But the purpose of (3)(e)(1) is in posting signage, not in creating exemptions.

We've got a potential mess with the Short Springs Nature Area ... I believe portions are owned by the City of Tullahoma, the State of Tennessee and TVA.

So does Short Springs count as a state park or not...? Thanks for the heads up on snakes... but gotta assume it would be legal on ones own property outside of city limits.

Wow, I just realized a major potential issue ... the Short Springs Nature Area is technically a "State" park... but there may be sections owned by the City of Tullahoma .. and there is adjacent land owned by the Tullahoma Utilities Board. Talk about a potential mess. What if the parking lot or trail head is city owned, but the rest belongs to the State and TVA? I know there's a TVA survey marker on the trail to Machine Falls ... and a path for power lines crosses the trail too. I know there are snakes out there. A .22 wouldn't be a bad thing.