Chucktshoes

I've been to 3rd world countries, live in Memphis and even toured a waste treatment plant when I was a kid (don't ask me whose bright idea that field trip was) and I stand by my assessment that it smells like raw sewage.

Got mine yesterday. Thanks!

Yeah, every mag's worth of ammo makes a difference when practicing and that $150 is like 3 mags worth.

My money is on #2.

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Robbery gone bad? I would say that was a robbery gone right!

The Onion sometimes nails the absurdity of life by posting nothing but the truth as it exactly is. I do believe this is almost the exact argument actually being used by the administration. :lol:

How about, "how do I know he's NOT a criminal?" Wow. Just wow.

I disagree 100%!!! Probable cause came when a complaint was recorded on the 911 system of a man with a gun! The store clerk (or whoever called 911) had no idea if that man was legal in his actions. The responding officers had no idea either, until they questioned him. Mr. Call chose to play hardball with the cops. The ball is in his court now. I hope the Judge goes easy on him. Most likely he paid his attorney in advance! Dave S In that disagreement you would be 100% wrong under the laws of Ohio. In TN where the carrying of a gun is a crime you would be correct. That is not the case in Ohio where OC is a perfectly legal activity and as such, the presence of a gun does not in and of itself rise to the level of PC for the officers to initiate a stop and detain the citizen.

Who is he? What's his background? Can he legaly have that gun on him? Questions I would want answers to if I was the responding officer. And it has nothing to do with a "Police State". It has everything to do with what is expected of me and what the tax payers pay me to do. Put yourselves in those cops shoes. What would you have done? Dave S Who is he? What is his background? Can he legally have that gun? Without PC that he either has or is committing a crime, that information is all of the citizen's and none of the officer's business.

So your answer is to treat the average citizen as if they are a criminal because somebody might do something bad with a gun? This is the same argument that Bloomberg and his ilk use in their fight to disarm us.

Just because life would have been easier if he had complied with police orders that he was under no obligation to comply with is immaterial. You are basically arguing for the "papers please" style of policing where the citizen is under obligation to prove his/her innocence as opposed to the police having to show a reasonable and probable cause to suspect a crime has been committed. These types of incidents are the beginning of the slippery slopes that justify a militarized tactical squad cordoning of an entire neighborhood and pulling folks out of their homes at gunpoint sans a warrant. Does putting the onus on LE to justify their actions when questioning or detaining citizens make their job more difficult? Absolutely. That is as it should be in a nation whose founding documents places liberty as a primary right such as ours do. You can live in a police state or a free state, you choose.

His actions (regardless of whether you agree with them or not) were not reasonable evidence of wrongdoing. In a state where unlicensed OC is legal, the courts have rules that the open carrying of a gun does not meet the level needed for a Terry Stop and as such, he was under no obligation to identify himself and the detainment by the officers was arguably illegal and a violation of his civil rights.

The Quarter does stink like raw sewage, and since I developed a shellfish allergy, I no longer have any reason to bother with that place.

No issue here with mine.

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[quote data-cid='968869' name='DaveTN' timestamp='1368302196' post='968869']You have a lot of faith in the government actually having real power in this area. I believe that faith is misguided. Government action will only further prove its impotence in exerting control over those that will not be controlled. Governments only have control over the willing.[/quote]The legal system has control over those not willing to abandon their families by going to prison on weapons charges. I don’t see a problem here. You can legally make all the guns you want, a POS with a 3D printer, or the real deal if you have the skills and access to mills and lathes. You just can’t sell them or transfer them. Will people try? Yes, and as soon as they turn up in the wrong places the person will be in jail.[/quote] You were taught your lesson well up there in Illinois, weren't you? You have no rights. Do what you are told. The state only has your best interests in mind and all the rules are for your benefit. You have been assimilated like the Borg. You really believe resistance is futile. I pray the state kills me before I ever become the mental slave you are. Blacks in Pre-War south at least knew they were slaves, I don't think you do. I can't even work up any contempt for you, just pity.

They realize it, and they are going to make an example out of the people involved just to show everyone what happens; or they will introduce some new legislation to control the information on the internet even more. The creators should've used some common sense on this one, nothing good will come from it at all. You have a lot of faith in the government actually having real power in this area. I believe that faith is misguided. Government action will only further prove its impotence in exerting control over those that will not be controlled. Governments only have control over the willing.

I know it ends up being a headache for you, but those are some of the best threads to read. If this board had a hall of fame for threads, it would be chock full of those threads.

Lincoln was a monster and Booth got to him about 5 years too late. If any president deserved to be shot, it was Lincoln.

More like .gov regulation making it nearly impossible to run a profitable operation as an indie. and it is much easier and to sell out and start collecting a 110k salary from Walgreens plus what they paid for your book.

Terrorist! Expect a knock.... :up:

Why fight when you've already won? The information is out there and it can't be stopped. Any action by the us.gov at this point just further demonstrates its impotence.

They are up on Pirate Bay, Mega and my email outbox. :D

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