Chucktshoes

So your answer is to treat the average citizen as if they are a criminal because somebody might do something bad with a gun? This is the same argument that Bloomberg and his ilk use in their fight to disarm us.

Just because life would have been easier if he had complied with police orders that he was under no obligation to comply with is immaterial. You are basically arguing for the "papers please" style of policing where the citizen is under obligation to prove his/her innocence as opposed to the police having to show a reasonable and probable cause to suspect a crime has been committed. These types of incidents are the beginning of the slippery slopes that justify a militarized tactical squad cordoning of an entire neighborhood and pulling folks out of their homes at gunpoint sans a warrant. Does putting the onus on LE to justify their actions when questioning or detaining citizens make their job more difficult? Absolutely. That is as it should be in a nation whose founding documents places liberty as a primary right such as ours do. You can live in a police state or a free state, you choose.

His actions (regardless of whether you agree with them or not) were not reasonable evidence of wrongdoing. In a state where unlicensed OC is legal, the courts have rules that the open carrying of a gun does not meet the level needed for a Terry Stop and as such, he was under no obligation to identify himself and the detainment by the officers was arguably illegal and a violation of his civil rights.

The Quarter does stink like raw sewage, and since I developed a shellfish allergy, I no longer have any reason to bother with that place.

No issue here with mine.

PM sent. Thank you for this offer.

[quote data-cid='968869' name='DaveTN' timestamp='1368302196' post='968869']You have a lot of faith in the government actually having real power in this area. I believe that faith is misguided. Government action will only further prove its impotence in exerting control over those that will not be controlled. Governments only have control over the willing.[/quote]The legal system has control over those not willing to abandon their families by going to prison on weapons charges. I don’t see a problem here. You can legally make all the guns you want, a POS with a 3D printer, or the real deal if you have the skills and access to mills and lathes. You just can’t sell them or transfer them. Will people try? Yes, and as soon as they turn up in the wrong places the person will be in jail.[/quote] You were taught your lesson well up there in Illinois, weren't you? You have no rights. Do what you are told. The state only has your best interests in mind and all the rules are for your benefit. You have been assimilated like the Borg. You really believe resistance is futile. I pray the state kills me before I ever become the mental slave you are. Blacks in Pre-War south at least knew they were slaves, I don't think you do. I can't even work up any contempt for you, just pity.

They realize it, and they are going to make an example out of the people involved just to show everyone what happens; or they will introduce some new legislation to control the information on the internet even more. The creators should've used some common sense on this one, nothing good will come from it at all. You have a lot of faith in the government actually having real power in this area. I believe that faith is misguided. Government action will only further prove its impotence in exerting control over those that will not be controlled. Governments only have control over the willing.

I know it ends up being a headache for you, but those are some of the best threads to read. If this board had a hall of fame for threads, it would be chock full of those threads.

Lincoln was a monster and Booth got to him about 5 years too late. If any president deserved to be shot, it was Lincoln.

More like .gov regulation making it nearly impossible to run a profitable operation as an indie. and it is much easier and to sell out and start collecting a 110k salary from Walgreens plus what they paid for your book.

Terrorist! Expect a knock.... :up:

Why fight when you've already won? The information is out there and it can't be stopped. Any action by the us.gov at this point just further demonstrates its impotence.

They are up on Pirate Bay, Mega and my email outbox. :D

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That's a total win, and now shared on the facebooks.

This was never about the gun, this was about flagrantly showing the government that its attempts at control are futile. Government control only works on those willing to be controlled.

John and Cindy began their relationship while he was still married to his first wife. How does it not make sense? 

LOL! Fair point. This is the meme I am referencing with that statement.

Meghan McCain sent out multiple tweets that day calling out Republicans for voting for Sanford. She is the one who made a big deal about his cheating. She opened herself up for that one. If she wants to heap judgement on folks for that, she needs to start at home.

The Feds just forced DefCad to go dark. Let the exercises in futility begin. http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/05/09/182623801/after-100-000-downloads-group-with-3-d-gun-plans-goes-dark

Bet you'd tag it anyway . . . the daughter, that is . . . I'd hit it like a storm trooper hitting a tree on the forrest moon of Endor.

Battle Rifle Company, possibly the worst ARs out there. Seems like Vulcan/Hesse/Blackthorn has some competition.   The Firearms Blog did a post from the NRA show and then a follow up afterwards. M4C savaged the company rep as well for their stupidity.      Original: [url=http://vuurwapenblog.com/2013/05/04/pretty-much-the-worst-ar-15s-ive-ever-seen/]http://vuurwapenblog.com/2013/05/04/pretty-much-the-worst-ar-15s-ive-ever-seen/[/url] Follow Up: [url=http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2013/05/07/battle-rifle-company-ar-platform-rifles/]http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2013/05/07/battle-rifle-company-ar-platform-rifles/[/url] M4 Carbine thread (with company responses): [url=http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?p=1634849#post1634849]http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?p=1634849#post1634849[/url]

The best thing about Mark Sanford's win is that it produced this burn.

This author makes the case that just because it is a bad idea, doesn't mean it shouldn't be done. In fact, it is a good reason to do it. http://www.policymic.com/articles/39733/adam-kokesh-planning-gun-march-in-washington-for-july-4