Chucktshoes

Farticles the particles that are expelled from ones ass when they fart person 1: i just farted person 2: i know i can taste your farticles

TMF hit upon the real heart of the matter here. It is the same argument we have with the gun grabbers. On one side you have those who think only folks who give reason for suspicion of criminal behavior should be accosted and on the other side you have those who think that due to the danger to public safety posed by a small irresponsible minority it is acceptable to treat the whole as possibly guilty and that it is incumbent on the individual to demonstrate innocence. Liberty vs the state.

Not the same. In your scenario you'd be assaulting them with your farticles that they inhaled.

I don't really disagree much with your prediction. I too expect the RINO to be returned. My point was that nationwide there has been a growing trend of successful primary challenges and unless he wants to be next, he has to take this challenge seriously. If he does treat the primary challenge as an actual threat, he should be able to keep his seat. If he arrogantly blows it off, then that is where the opportunity to unseat comes in.

Regardless of how much money or backing he has, he would be an idiot not to take a primary challenge seriously. The last few cycles have shown a predilection of the base to dump RINOs in primary season. Hopefully that will happen again this cycle and the next here in TN.

So you'll be voting with Ramjo then? ;)

This may be pertinent to your interests. McMillan of the rifle stocks fame is getting into the CC processing business. http://www.thebangswitch.com/new-gun-friendly-credit-card-processing/ http://www.mmsllc.com/

Back in my rave days I knew a lot of folks that were fans of ketamine. Apparently they really enjoyed being in a "k-hole". I never tried it myself. I never was one much for depressants.

[quote name="tnguy" post="1023424" timestamp="1377793865"] Assuming you, your loved ones and your neighbors get through unharmed, probably.[/quote]The neighbors aren't my problem. I have an obligation to ensure the well being of only 2 people on this planet. Everyone else is on their own. When a person crosses my threshold uninvited, they make themselves a danger to those I am obligated to protect. If it is within my power to do so, they will never threaten my family again.

Wouldn't that be a win-win?

Well, there goes the CMP.

I'm gonna dip into fantasyland on this one but wouldn't it be nice if O called a press conference and said something along the lines of "Upon a closer examination of the situation is Syria we have no national interest in either side winning. Both sides suck and on top of that, the American people want absolutely no part of this Charlie Foxtrot. Taking all that into account we have decided that, Syria, this is your mess, you figure it out. I'm late for golf."

Got it.

Didn't stop George W. Bush, Bill Clinton, George H.W. Bush, Ronald Reagan...

http://www.duffelblog.com/2013/08/nidal-hasan-granted-terminal-leave/ I fucking LOVE the Duffleblog.

Yes, words do mean things. You're still dodging your words that I have quoted twice now where you stated that if the opportunity to retreat exists, then there does not really exist a danger to the victim's life. If there isn't a danger to life, then there is no legal justification for the use of deadly force. If there is no legal justification for use of deadly force then one is obligated to deescalate and retreat.

Then please explain how these words, your words, do not impart a duty to retreat? That is a damn near textbook definition of a duty to retreat.

Nope Pincus doesn't at all. Your statements draw me to a different conclusion. Maybe I am misreading your words, but the portions I have bolded read to me as an endorsement of a duty to retreat. Considering that the legal threshold for use of deadly force is the reasonable fear of death or great bodily harm, to say that the opportunity/ability for retreat or the ability to provide the opportunity for the criminal to retreat means that one's "life isn't really in danger" would therefore impart a duty to retreat on the victim. The danger to life exists from the moment the criminal begins their act of violence, not when the victim has no ability to flee.

[quote name="RobertNashville" post="1022814" timestamp="1377707998"] If the criminal is still able to disengage (if given the opportunity) and/or if the victim can safely give ground then your life isn't [i]really[/i] in danger - it may be only a moment [i]from[/i] crossing that "line" but it's still not quite there yet; if it were then it wouldn't be possible for either to disengage safely. There is nothing "moral" about using deadly force against someone if you don't have to do so...there is nothing heroic or "right" about "standing your ground" if you can give ground safely and defuse the situation. Obviously, if you can't do so safely then you can't and I've not said otherwise or suggesting otherwise. The absolutely very best gunfight you can possibly have for you...for your loved ones...for innocents who may be nearby...[b][i]is the one you were able to avoid.[/i][/b][/quote]You sound as if you are approving of imposing a duty to retreat on the victim. You say that there nothing moral about using deadly force against someone you don't have to, I would say that there is nothing immoral about using that deadly force against someone who is engaging in an immoral act. When the criminal chose to engage in their criminal act, they made their choice and must live (or die) with the consequences of that choice. Much like my job as a manager, if I have to terminate an employee it is due to their actions. I didn't fire them, they fired themselves. Whenever a criminal ends up dead due to the victim engaging in self defense, regardless of whether or not the victim could have avoided the gunfight, they bear no moral responsibility for the criminal's demise. It is nothing more than the criminal committing suicide by poor victim selection.

Once again I find myself at the nexus of things that shouldn't be joked about and things that I find funny, also know as, why I am going to hell. :lol:

Grace Potter and the Nocturnals put on a hell of a live show. http://youtu.be/oHlhOgQ36m8

C'mon! There's plenty of room on the couch for ya.