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He will be missed.

I really like the looks of that. Might build one with that trigger just for ####s and giggles.

The risk to folks not in commercial trucking being caught using the red diesel are very low. To be honest, I don't think they are really even worried about private vehicles.

This is probably very close to the truth. In the last few years so much of the forensic "science" used to convict folks of crimes has turned out to be utter crap. Widespread fabrication of results in crime labs (even the much vaunted FBI forensics lab) has put a lot of heat of folks to actually be able to prove that crap is real, repeatable and verifiable. Tons of possibly innocent folks sittin in prison right now with cases on appeal over the outright lies of forensics techs.

M&W got it right.

Do you not read your own posts?

Correct. This action essentially bans all semi automatic rifles (and possibly handguns) from sale in the state. Anyone wanna take bets on how long before she issues an opinion that any sold in the last 10 years were illegally sold and must be surrendered?

Nope. You've only defended every single officer accused of wrongdoing and objected to any efforts to have an objective record of events available to verify what actually happens in police/citizen interactions with exhortations to simply trust the officers. Nevermind the myriad reasons to do exactly the opposite that have brought us to the place we are at now.

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Like I said before, it's a lot quicker to explain what it is that you actually understand. I will grant that you are right about one thing, it is pretty pointless for you and I to engage on this issue. Though not for the reasons you think. You appear to be more interested in protecting your presuppositional worldview than in the actual problems or the actual solutions to those problems. Here is the hard truth. You say that "the American will support their police officers" yet you completely ignore the reality that a significant portion of the population doesn't view the police as their own. If you can't see the reality of that, then you can't change the reality of that. If we really want to stop this from spiraling out of control then we need to change that state of affairs. Your simplistic views and solutions will only result in more dead citizens and more dead officers.

I believe this to be a crucial first step towards alleviating the tensions between police and their communities. Violent force needs to return to being the very last resort. Whether it actually is or not, the perception exists that it is the go to option for police when dealing with the public. As long as that is the case, progress will be very hard to make. I think another crucial thing we need to do is reevaluate the job we expect police to do. There are so many so called crimes against which exist laws that police are expected to enforce (and that's what policing is, the exercise of force by the government) that should not even be crimes in the first place that it puts police officers in an impossible position. I'm of the opinion that if police are going to exist at all, their focus needs to be on crimes involving an actual victim. If we can't point to an actual victim whose life, liberty or property have been violated then it isn't a job for police. "Broken windows" policing may have given the appearance of an orderly society but it has also separated officers from the populace they serve and in some communities turned them into something more akin to a foreign occupying force than agents of peace. That has to change.

I'm not blinded by anything Dave, but I'm not the one playing ostrich either. I love how you completely ignore the entire rest of that post and every other one I have made where I lay out the issues that are actually in play here. The cognitive dissonance is strong with you as you refuse to even acknowledge anything that even remotely contradicts your "cops are innocent good guys" world view. Like it or not, there is a fundamental and serious disconnect between police agencies and the communities they purportedly serve. That's a fact. There are many different ideas on how to address that disconnect. Some I favor over others but if you can't see the problem exists, then you can't be part of finding the solution. ETA: let me unpack one of my statements a little. While the individual officers who lost their lives in these shootings are likely innocent of wrongdoing , this isn't a conversation about individuals. The subject is the broken state of policing as a whole in this country. If that subject isn't adequately addressed then we can expect more incidents like Dallas and Baton Rouge. That doesn't justify them in the least, but that doesn't mean that they won't be entirely predictable.

It would be a lot quicker to fill you in on what you do understand. Nothing. Policing in in this country is fundamentally broken. What happened in Dallas and Baton Rouge, while not justifiable, were so entirely predictable that many folks, including myself, have been saying for years it would happen. If you want examples of why your "let the cops go kill them" strategy is doomed to failure you need to look no further than the revolutionary wars in South America. Engaging in acts of violence to draw an increasingly aggressive and harsh counter measures from the government on the populace is so predictable in its effectiveness that it is in the freaking manuals disseminated by South American revolutionary forces. When I said that the game had elevated after Dallas, I meant it. If you view this as a simple law and order situation then you have no idea what is really going on and what you suggest will only draw more support for those that you oppose. If you are really interested in ending the bloodshed then you have to look at the real root causes of the issue and search for actual solutions instead of seeking to preserve the status quo.

I'm not laying blame, condoning or condemning anyone. I'm simply looking at the situation for what it is and attempting to analyze the situation in search of solutions. When I say that the future is in the hands of the rank and file I mean that if they reject the notion that changes need to be made and adopt a more aggressive stance and clamp down harder, the situation will deteriorate, and quickly.

This represents the fundamental misunderstanding of the issues at play that have led us to the situation at hand. This approach will only worsen the situation and lead to increased bloodshed.

I said Dallas was only the beginning. Baton Rouge won't be the end. This is liable to get very bad before it gets better and it all lies in the hands of the rank and file officer on the street.

Your son was correct. It was all a hoax, and not even a new one. It was recycled from 2014.

The Turkish military are the ones who have kept Turkey a secular democracy. I guess the got tired of Erdogan's Islamist shenanigans.

This could prove...interesting.

Now for a little bit of a reality check to the rampant fear mongering hopefully from a source some of y'all will accept. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016/07/14/national-day-of-rage-plotted-for-july-15-use-this-as-a-list-of-places-not-to-be/ It's a hoax by Anonymous. Don't let your prejudices put you on edge and cause you to make the news. Mmmkay?

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I don't use any streaming services. I don't like their artist compensation models. I do this really weird thing called actually buying music. Lots of digital and lots of vinyl.

Folks will always see what they want to see.

That is the plan.

This is not what I thought this thread was going to be about.