Chucktshoes

We really should just go ahead and eliminate DST. It’s pointless.

There’s never any fear of that happening.

No more than a belt loop or a shoestring.

The wonders of gun laws know no ends.

My understanding is that case was dropped.

Ok, TTAG wrote up an article covering this case and included some very vital information that was left out of the Prince Law article. https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2018/11/daniel-zimmerman/atf-suffers-rare-court-loss-in-ohio-short-barrel-rifle-prosecution/ Here are some key points: Toledo police responded to a domestic disturbance call in March at the home of Kelland and Christina Wright. Mr. Wright, a Marine veteran, allegedly threw a cell phone at his wife and was arrested. As a part of an arrest for a domestic violence complaint, police confiscated all firearms in the home, including an AR pistol equipped with the Maxim cheek rest. When the gun was subsequently examined by the ATF, they deemed it an unregistered short barrel rifle (SBR). That determination was based on the fact that, according to the ATF’s measurements, the Maxim cheek rest — which had been altered with the addition of a rubber “cane tip” on the end — resulted in a length of pull that’s greater than the 13.5-inch limit the ATF says is the maximum for any similar AR pistol accessory. Wright had apparently added the cane tip to keep the gun upright when stored in his safe. Prosecutors argued that was an illegal alteration to the gun. As a result, Wright was charged with possession of an unregistered short barrel rifle, a felony. There were a couple of problems with the caseagainst Wright, however. First, the ATF has never issued an official public opinion letter stating that AR pistols with such accessories— cheek rests, pistol braces, etc. — must have a length of pull of no more than 13.5 inches to avoid being considered an SBR. The ATF had communicated that fact to various manufacturers in private opinion letters concerning their specific products over the years (and some of those companies have chosen to make those letters public), but nothing has ever been communicated to the general gun-buying public by the agency. As a result, the defense argued that Wright had no reasonable way of knowing about the 13.5-inch length of pull limit. There’s a Supreme Court precedent in Staples v. United States that found a gun owner has to knowthat his firearm has characteristics that bring it under NFA regulation to be guilty of a crime. Regarding the ATF asking to seal documents: The Prince post also mentioned that the ATF asked for and was granted an order sealing a number of documents used in the case. As a part of their defense, Wright’s attorneys used a selection of those opinion letters the ATF had issued to manufacturers in connection with specific products under consideration. The ATF argued against releasing those for use by the defense in the trial, but lost that fight. The ATF then, reasonably enough, sought to have those letters sealed and not included in the public record of the trial because they contained potentially sensitive competitive information concerning the companies involved…not because they were trying to hide any internal ATF decision-making from the public. Those documents were never intended for public disclosure unless the companies themselves decided to release them. And for the final coup de grace, the defendant was represented by a public defender. So he didn’t owe a dime for his defense. I just want to repeat, the ATF had their asses handed to them by a PD.

I find folks in Colorado to generally be pretty pleasant.

The jury box is the box for defending liberty most often ignored yet also the one that can have the most immediate impact. Before judging guilt or innocence, one should judge the law first.

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I carry tip up, and I used to carry my TGO Protech Magic. I say used to because one day I reached into my pocked and almost turned two of my fingers into four. It wasn’t the first time that knife had opened up in my pocket but it was the last time I carried it.

@Capbyrd That’s pretty much all I’ve got to say about it at this point.

I guess you’d have to be prior service to really get it.

More importantly, you know what else made it debut in 1978? Me.

@Erik88 looks like we were reading the same things at pretty much the same time. Looks like the brace game just got a whole lot riskier.

Earlier this year the ATF referred a case to a US Atty. for prosecution of an owner of an AR pistol for making an SBR after adding a cheek rest to his AR pistol tube. Luckily the jury returned a verdict of not guilty https://blog.princelaw.com/2018/10/28/atf-unhinged-prosecutions-made-up-out-of-whole-cloth-you-might-be-next/ Of particular note is that the prosecuting attorney sought to preclude the ATF’s own FATB letters regarding the use of braces, cheek rests, and foregrips from being admitted as evidence. Their position was that the letters were not exculpatory because they weren’t about that particular rifle and that particular product in that particular configuration and did not set a precedent. To add insult to injury, it appears most of the court documents have been sealed after the loss. It doesn’t matter who is in office, the ATF is still gonna do ATF things.

When I was in the Air Force back in the 90s we did a rotation to Kuwait. On our way back we had a layover in Naples Italy. When we hit the hotel bar they were getting ready to close and we got them to stay open for us and we drank them completely out of beer.

Maybe he just figured the video would be worth more money if the cops killed the dude.

Appears to be a true believer white supremecist type. Here's a capture of his gab account, his account has already been deleted by gab: https://archive.fo/k63LE It seems to give a little bit of insight on what the final straw was for this guy to go off the deep end and start killing folks.

I’m starting to notice a trend here.

I didn’t even watch the video. I just went from the description under it. I ain’t watching that mess.

All you have to do is go online and submit the change of address and print that form and that is acceptable for use by the FFL for the 4473.

Even though I know they have some design differences to help them fulfill slightly different roles, the truth is I just use them interchangeably. It’s all a matter of what’s in stock when I go to buy some defensive ammo. That said, they do work best with critical duty in your full-size to midsize guns, and critical defense in your smaller compact or subcompact guns.

I’m generally using Hornaday critical defense/critical duty.