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AR15.com has joined the 2nd Adventure Group family. The 2nd Adventure Group is wholly owned by Pete and Frank Brownell, and also serves as the umbrella company that owns Brownells, Inc. and other industry brands. https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2019/06/luis-valdes/breaking-brownells-acquires-ar15-com/ Interesting.

Ehh, I’m not so sure I would be. For example, I drive to Springfield, MO pretty regularly and there’s a spot where a few years back they did an expansion of US 60. On a hill overlooking that section there is a billboard that was put up by the landowner that says “Screw MDOT!”

May your projects never run afoul of a man pushed to the edge like Dawes.

I agree with you on that. It reminds me of one of my favorite of Stephen King’s Bachman books, ‘Roadwork’. I wonder if Heemeyer ever read it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roadwork

Differing perspectives are always valuable, but there are two main issues I’d take with that article. First it frames it as if Heemeyer was somehow obligated to sell his property to the concrete folks. (Nope!) Also, it omits the two main facts that go a long way towards justifying his actions to me. The access road and the sewage hookups and fines. Those two things take it from a “petty zoning issue” to an egregious trampling of the man’s property rights.

The president decided to expound further on his thoughts regarding suppressors with none other than our good old buddy, Piers Morgan. https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-banning-gun-silencers/story?id=63502902

That process is in the works as we speak by folks at GOA and others. It’s a shame the NRA isn’t doing a damn thing to help *Tangent* While we agree on almost nothing, Dave, I have to say I really do enjoy our discussions. You help me to not be a lazy debator.

Innocuous enough on the surface, vague enough to be dangerous. I just wonder why the NRA and the state gun orgs aren’t on top of this offering support, guidance and expertise on how to conduct the campaign in the best possible manner to promote safety while respecting rights. This seems like a perfect way to dovetail the Eddie Eagle campaign with a component for adults regarding storage and the necessity of firearms education for their kids.

I appreciate the rundown of information that heretofore was only being contested by you. At least you aren’t still trying to maintain that this rule change “had nothing to do with Trump.” I am well aware of the chain of events that led to the reclassification of bump stocks as machine guns. It still doesn’t answer the basic question of how does a bump stock fit the legal definition of a machine gun as quoted above. The language used by the ATF to say that it does in the new reg amounts to nothing more than “when the wording of the law says this, it means this other thing” all the while twisting the plain meaning of words to cover bump stocks while ignoring basic details of how they actually function. This has been my issue with this whole situation from the beginning. I don’t want or care about bump stocks in and of themselves. I actually think they are kind of dumb. But I take serious issue with the government changing its mind one day and by executive fiat turning citizens into felons with the stroke of a pen. When government officials have to power to say “I don’t care what the law says, it means what I want it to mean and it means you’re a criminal and I will cage you or kill if you don’t obey,” that’s the very definition of tyranny.

The devil is in the details. What’s the actual language involved here? It seems it would be bad PR for the gun orgs to oppose it if it was strictly about promoting safety, but as we all know, the words “gun safety” mean very different things to different people.

You’re still sidestepping the question. Yes, the intent was to outlaw machine guns and the statute and regs are quite clear as far as to what constitutes a machine gun. I will refer you to my previous post where I quoted the law in question.

I’m not asking for you to explain the why, but the how. It’s a very simple and direct question that is always sidestepped, including by the ATF. How does the bump stock meet the legal definition of a machine gun? Its operation and use still requires a full operation of the trigger for every round fired. It does not and cannot cause more than one round to fire for a single trigger pull, so how is it a machine gun. Somebody, anybody, please provide an explanation on that simple technical detail. Youre right, whatever Dem gets the White House next will go for executive action why hand them a head start by not challenging now? Wrong is wrong no matter who’s doing it To be clear, I don’t think Trump is a tyrant. I think he’s a childish buffoon who opens his mouth way too often before engaging his brain for sure. Overall though, I’m not in opposed to most of his policies and they are undertaken in a just and appropriate manner. In this case he acted in a tyrannical manner by instructing an executive agency to reverse a legal decision that effectively resulted in the taking of tens of millions of dollars in property from citizens with no compensation. The declaration by fiat that possession of legally acquired property one day is legal and the next day is a felony punishable by 10 years in prison is a pretty textbook definition of tryannical action. You’re right, Obama was way better for us. Nothing got banned and millions of acres of federal land were opened up to hunting and for legal carry. It’s laughable to compare the two Just like here in TN, a Democrat executive with a Republican legislature results in a net gain while a Republican trifecta results in no gains or even a net loss. I really wish someone could explain how that works to me.

Soooo, you can’t explain how, it just is, right? Here’s the thing, the bump stocks aren’t really the point here. It’s the how that’s the issue. When Kamala Harris or someone just like her gets into office and takes executive action against gun owners and manufacturers, will you be praising them as “someone who gets things done?” I’m sorry, I can’t get down with the idea of praising a tyrant just because he’s my tyrant. I called out Obama for being wrong when he bragged about his “pen and a phone” and Trump is wrong for the same types of actions for the very same reasons.

Actually, he killed himself. The Killdozer wasn’t built with an escapee hatch. He knew it was a one way trip from the very start.

26 U.S. Code§ 5845.Definitions (b)Machinegun The term “machinegun” means any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger. The term shall also include the frame or receiver of any such weapon, any part designed and intended solely and exclusively, or combination of parts designed and intended, for use in converting a weapon into a machinegun, and any combination of parts from which a machinegun can be assembled if such parts are in the possession or under the control of a person. I’m still waiting for an explanation on how a bump stock meets this definition. Even the ATF ruling (made at the specific direction of the president) didn’t say how, just that it did.

“Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.” H. L. Mencken

I don’t see any way that it stands. SCOTUS has made it clear multiple times that police have no legal duty to act to protect citizens from harm. Peterson absolutely failed his moral duty to protect those kids, but he had no legal duty to act.

Yeah, the HPA is dead as a doornail. We might think it died when the Dems took the house but that’s not true. It was never really alive in the first place.

In the wake of the reports that the VA Beach shooter used a suppressor on one of the guns, Pres. Trump was asked if he thought they should be restricted and his response was “I don’t like them at all.” Remember what happened the last time he took a negative view of a firearm accessory? We got the bumpstock ban. https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2019/06/luis-valdes/are-suppressors-next-trump-i-dont-like-them-at-all/

Pelosi is actually the adult in the room this time. She knows that it will hand 2020 to Trump. I don’t think the party is going to give her a choice.

It’s like the alcoholic Disneyland.

Totally changes what the P in +P stands for! I guess if the shot placement doesn’t get them, the secondary infection will.

Shocker.