Mike.357

Interesting story on this at knoxnews.com Not that they are born this way just a report on some of them and positions of responsibility they held. Why I believe that gay people do not choose that lifestyle is because why would anyone choose to be that way. By that I mean to live in a manner that people put down, live a lifestyle that makes you the butt of people jokes, life a lifestyle that causes violence to be aimed at you, live a lifestyle that causes you to be discriminated against. It just does not add up for me. I used to play golf regularly ( yep got over that obsession too) with two lesbians. I worked in the golf business for years and many of the female golf pros I encountered were very stereotypical. But every single one of gay golfers was what I consider salt of the earth and exceptional people to be around and associate with. I knew a man in Illinois who was gay and had aids. He was the nicest person I ever met in my life. Would literally give you the shirt off his back and the food from his refridgerator. I guess all in all I have known about 15 gay people in my life. There is not a one of them I can really say anything bad about. I do not know how many straight people I have known in my life. But I do know there are quite a few of them I could say bad things about. I do not believe that being gay is a choice or that being gay damns you to hell. I do not think it even gives cause to apologize to the man if and when your day of reckoning comes. I have a very hard time believing in a God who would create someone and then damn them for their choices. I also think that the bible can make justifications for whichever points you wich to present or side you want to be on. To be off topic, why would God create a child and then give them leukemia? Now for Blonde jokes. Q:what do blondes and turtles have in common? . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . A: Once they are on their back they are screwed.

Interesting story on this at knoxnews.com Not that they are born this way just a report on some of them and positions of responsibility they held. Why I believe that gay people do not choose that lifestyle is because why would anyone choose to be that way. By that I mean to live in a manner that people put down, live a lifestyle that makes you the butt of people jokes, life a lifestyle that causes violence to be aimed at you, live a lifestyle that causes you to be discriminated against. It just does not add up for me. I used to play golf regularly ( yep got over that obsession too) with two lesbians. I worked in the golf business for years and many of the female golf pros I encountered were very stereotypical. But every single one of gay golfers was what I consider salt of the earth and exceptional people to be around and associate with. I knew a man in Illinois who was gay and had aids. He was the nicest person I ever met in my life. Would literally give you the shirt off his back and the food from his refridgerator. I guess all in all I have known about 15 gay people in my life. There is not a one of them I can really say anything bad about. I do not know how many straight people I have known in my life. But I do know there are quite a few of them I could say bad things about. I do not believe that being gay is a choice or that being gay damns you to hell. I do not think it even gives cause to apologize to the man if and when your day of reckoning comes. I have a very hard time believing in a God who would create someone and then damn them for their choices. I also think that the bible can make justifications for whichever points you wich to present or side you want to be on. To be off topic, why would God create a child and then give them leukemia? Now for Blonde jokes. Q:what do blondes and turtles have in common? . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . A: Once they are on their back they are screwed.

nothing wrong with a debate, there is no meaness being expressed. Just a argument over differing points of opinion. Heck if not for differing opinion I doubt this country would even exist. And if it take a joke to open up discussion then the joke served a dual purpose. if anyone wants my post removed get Eddie to do it.

nothing wrong with a debate, there is no meaness being expressed. Just a argument over differing points of opinion. Heck if not for differing opinion I doubt this country would even exist. And if it take a joke to open up discussion then the joke served a dual purpose. if anyone wants my post removed get Eddie to do it.

thats it in a nutshell.

thats it in a nutshell.

no worries of overpenetration there.

Hey Tower, It's too bad circumstances dictated you all had to leave early. You for sure would have enjoyed the skirmish line of black powder revolvers. That was the most smoke I have seen at one time. Really makes a person wonder about gun fights back in the day. And how people could see one another to take aimed shots. Dunno how there could be gunfire indoors as is depicted in a lot of movies. it was a hoot though. Julies rifle is great, only thing she is missing on it is a bi-pod. I have one that clips on most any rifle and I regret not throwing it in the range bag. Mark, i love the cannon but I do not see one in my immediate future. More interested in a pocket police in .36 cal with a short barrel. But it will have to wait some. A pump .22 is still tops on my "buy next" list. Might need to contact Phantom here soon about that. I think it was an epic shoot, not sure how it could have been any better in anyway.

I am curious is your God all loving? Why would this guy be judged for the way God made him? Actually it is very OK, no pretending needed.

I am curious is your God all loving? Why would this guy be judged for the way God made him? Actually it is very OK, no pretending needed.

and I am much better looking than that thing strickj posted

I have heard the dishwashe thing before too. Maybe I will try that. Run the gun through completely assembled and then take it down to see how it did. I know if it works it would be a real time saver.

I think the biggest thing the Crisco does is keeps fouling soft and helps keep the cylinder pin lubricated. The wad helps reduce fouling I think. I have shot without using Crisco and the cylinder bound up after about 20 rounds. I think I will experiment next time using the wads and no Crisco to see about cylinder binding. Maybe by reducing fouling the wads also will enable the cylinder to continue to turn freely. I have doubts about the spark making it past the ball and causing chainfires. I have never had one. (knock on wood)

I dunno what I believe in.

sounds like you got the most important stuff Mark. I do like to at least break open the frame and eyeball the action. I have found a spent cap in one before. Using hot water and soap is good for shortcutting the total break down. The soap and water will get everywhere and neutralize the corrosives. BG, you should have made the trip up to Mark's, big fun alright. I load by using powder (depends which revolver how much) grits if I need to fill space, round ball and cover with Crisco. I am not sure about them wads. I used some Saturday for the first time but did not notice any improvement. I think they would be handy to use if you intended to leave the gun loaded for a few days. but some people swear by them.

is there a transgender icon? Well just saying there might be a member out there..... PS: I get the now you see them now you don't thing happpening too.

Schematic and parts list for Colt revolver http://users.adelphia.net/~danwagner/uberti1851navy.html

Matt I am referring to this image of the cannon. IMGP2603 If you have it in higher resolution I would love to have it. email it to MikeHahn76@netzero.net

in laymans terms for simplicity ,this is specifically for a Colt 1851, it should still apply for a 1860 or 1861 1. Remove barrel and cylinder 2. Remove screw on base of grip (note: if you have a screw in the center of the grip remove it and take grip pieces off of grip frame.) 3. Remove two screws on side of hammer, and remove grip and grip-frame 4. slide hammer spring to the side removing pressure on hammer 5. Remove screw in front of trigger guard on bottom of frame. 6. Remove two screws to the rear of the trigger guard and pull piece from frame. 7.Carefully loosen cylinder bolt and trigger spring. ( I have always found this to be the most difficult screw to remove), remove this screw and remove the forked spring. 8. Remove screw from frame that holds in the trigger and pull trigger away from action. 9. Remove screw that hold cylinder bolt in place and pull away from action 10. Remove screw holding hammer in place. Slide this down carefully and watch for the hand and handspring to come out with it. Pay attention to how the hand sits on the hammer for re-assembly purposes. 11. Using a proper nipple wrench remove nipples from each chamber on cylinder. ( this step does not need to be done each and every time IMHO, ymmv, But if you can do it you should) 12. loosen loading leaver from latch on barrel, remove screw holding it to the barrel and pull out of barrel You have now totally taken your Colt revolver down. Note: there is a piece here and there we are not taking apart. I have never found a need to break down the gun any further than this.

Forgot a couple of things in my ealier post. Matt's .38 special S&W revolver was without a doubt the nicest double action revolver I have ever shot. DA shooting was as smooth as most guns are in SA, and in SA it was unbelievable. What a great revolver. And Skwash's MP5 look alike in .22lr is a great gun. What fun to shoot. I love peep sights that one could be rotated to give you different sizes holes to peep though. What an accurate gun with a great trigger on it. While I did not fire it, Julie's new 10-22 looked like a real accurate shooter. The heavy barrel on that was outta sight!! And the way it could be tuned in to the shooter with adjustments on the stock was something else. And dang it Mark I gotta get a Pocket Police in .36 now, grrrr and of course it will have to be an Uberti and therefore not overly cheap. LOL Great pics Matt, your wife is a very good picture taker! Can't wait to see video. did not know any of that was being taken. That pic of the cannon shooting is my new wallpaper! The only downside to the day was me and Dotsun did not get pulled over so we could show off our permits and see the cops reaction to his question of are there any weapons in the truck.

I thought a discussion of this might be good to have. Remember it is very important to clean you percussion guns within a day or so of shooting. The powder is somewhat corrosive and I also assume the percussion caps are as well. I lost track of rounds through each gun yesterday but I am guessing it was around 40 to 50 rounds each based on the caps I went through. I have a fairly large table I use for cleaning guns. I broke down each of the three and put the parts in "Glad" bowls. Most of the parts were fairly gooed up with fouling and that is normal. Note that if you tear down more than one gun at the same time to keep the parts for each gun seperate from the parts of other guns. While the parts look alike they are not always interchangable. That's where the plastic "Glad" bowls come in handy. I also kept my piles of screws seperate. Again they are going to be specific to a particular gun. Once the guns were tore down I took the bowls to the kitchen sink. I ran tap water and got it as scalding hot as the water heater allowed. I applied a liberal amount of liquid dish soap into each bowl and over the gun parts. Then filled the bowls with the very hot water. Gun frames that did not fully submerge into the soapy water were hosed down with the hot tap water. I use a brass rod with a bore mop. I soap up the mop and run it through the barrel. I then use the mop and go up and down into the chambers of the cylinder. The fouling comes out fairly easily. I also use a toothbrush to get into nooks and crannys on the cylinder. Again soak it in hot water to rinse. Clean the other various parts of the action by using a toothbrush and a rag. Make sure the fouling that hardened due to oil all comes off the parts. Dry the parts as well as possible. ( Some people bake the parts in the oven at about 200 degrees to remove moisture. I do not do this and have not had trouble ever with rust of moisture. But feel free to try this if you will.) Once the parts are all clean and dry move on to the next gun. Repat the processes until complete. As I reassemble the gun I do it in reverse order of disassembly. It is very important that the parts go back in correctly, DUH!! Pay attention and you will be fine. remember as you action the gun do not force it. If you feel resistance you did something wrong. As I reassemble I sparingly apply oil. Lots of different schools of thought on types of oil. Experiment if you will. Many people swear that dino based oils are bad news, I am not so sure. I do know that olive oil turns to glue after a couple of weeks sitting on a gun in a safe. Works fine if you are shooting again in a day or so. I currently am trying RemOil. I do know that the knock on dino oil is that the fouling will harden, this I fidn to be true. It has not caused me problem to date. Remember if you action your gun and it is stiff to not force things. Determine where it is binding and then decide on a course of action. Normally the cylinder pin is what goows up and binds things a bit. Key things to remember, do or have on hand. 1. Good screwdriver designed for use on guns. If you look around you will find one size will work for all screws on a Colt or Remmy. I recommend the Grace USA Screwdrivers and the 8 piece set. For thirty bucks you have lifetime warrented screwdrivers. Budget buy would be the G3 sized Grace screwdriver. It virtually fits every screw head on a Colt of Remmy. not perfect but servicable for all the screws. 2. in a pinch, with no time to clean the gun in the forseeable future, Windex with ammonia is a substitute for proper cleaning. Soak down the action of the gun, chambers and bore. Wipe the outside of the gun with and oily rag. The ammonia will stop corrosion from powder and caps. Not a cleaning substitute mind you but it will buy you time. 3. Stiff toothbrush for getting into small spaces. 4. Tight enough is good enough, do not overtighten screws or force the barrel key in too far. okay, that is all for now. I will probably remember some other things and add to this if I do. What do you all do?

Thats awesome. I can shoot .45 Colt out of my '58 Remington. I love the versatility that being aboe to do that gives that pistol. The only downside being the cost of the conversion cylinder and the cost of .45 Colt cartridges. I hope to soon be able to reload .45 Colt. And when I can do it I want to do it with black powder rather than smokeless. Goex makes cartridges with the black as well. Glad you got to get out and shoot with some people. Always more fun sahring the sport with others.

I dunno why the thread is wide, LOL not that it matters anyway. The color of the frame looks great, it really is a pretty revolver. They really did a good job with it. I am cluelessas to how it is color case hardened but I sure like the look of it. Now you got to get out and put some powder through it. Too bad you cold not make it to Mark's yesterday. We would have gotten some smoke out of it for sure.

i guess it is alright if you are into it. Dunno what anyone would need it for.

I was referring to Mexican's who live in Mexico.