dcloudy777

I may ride up and meet up with you guys in Franklin, and then to Bell Buckle-Lynchburg-back home.  Sounds like a nice ride.

  That's a valid opinion... but it's a heck of a  lot easier to ditch armor when I need to go fast than it is to grow armor if people are shooting at me.  :rofl:

  Yep.  And the vast majority of those rifles will never be shot anywhere near enough to show any appreciable parts wear or breakage from being overgassed, so it's just easier for the manufacturers to err on the side of caution.    And to be honest, most of the parts that are going to wear/break because of the overgassing are cheap and easy to replace anyway. 

The 9mm is a no-brainer here.  One more round, less recoil, cheaper ammo that you already have "in your logistical system".  Modern 9mm is as effective a "fight-stopper" as anything else you can fit in a smallish handgun. 

Sure they get dirty, but if they're built correctly they'll keep right on running.  Embrace the filth and enjoy hitting targets!  :2cents:

I'll at least come to Lynchburg for the meat 'n eat, and probably be up for a ride afterward too.

Rimmed cartridges and hi-cap box magazines do not mix well.

I'm in if it's a free weekend.  Lynchburg is always bike central on the weekends.  

Every time I shoot one it just makes me appreciate my P7, 1911s, and CZs even more.   :pleased:

I come more and more convinced everyday that I could sling up my AR and wear it around and most people wouldn't notice.  :rofl:   Parrothead, don't sweat it.  Anyone who recognizes those clips for what they are is almost certainly going to know better than to make a big deal about it. 

People need to carry bigger guns.   Pretty much every gun on that list is either marginal on terminal effectiveness, really difficult to shoot well, or both.    Was it Col. Cooper that said "Comforting, not comfortable!"?

Most of the top "Tac-Irons" shooters in big 3-gun swear by them.  They do lend themselves to long range stuff with their small, precise reticle.  The etched reticle that's visible even when the power isn't on is a plus too.   That being said, I tried one and didn't really like it.  My Eotech has a reticle that I find "faster" for shooting out to 100-150 yards, and is much more forgiving about head/eye position than the Leupold.  The Pris has a bit of "eye relief"... which leads me to believe it might not but true 1X.  To me it's a lot like using a scope set at 1X, which except for the really high end scopes is really more like 1.1X, and fast, but not quite as fast as a dot sight like the Eotech or Aimpoint

Oh... and a short lever gun that can shoot .45 Colt, .454 Casull, .460 S&W Magnum, or .410 shotgun shells! 

I'll go Molon one better:   Caseless ammunition, meter-able liquid propellent.    Imagine a compact, integrally suppressed rifle firing a low-drag, high BC projectile (say for example, 140gr 6.5MM)  now imagine being able to, with the turn of a switch, launch that bullet at just under the speed of sound for maximum sound suppression, 2,000 FPS for medium range general purpose use, or 3,000+ FPS to shoot out to 1,200M or more.  

  Why would you ever ride the hammer forward?

I'm picking my defense load based on the terrible thing that's trying to kill me, not where I happen to be located at the time.    Basically every aspect of a violent encounter is a variable:  range, time of day, number of attackers, background... the only real constant is something terrible trying to kill you or some innocent person.  That's the one thing you can always count on to be there when things go bad, so I'm going to equip myself as best as I can to stop that terrible thing.  All other concerns are secondary.    For a shotgun, multiple studies have confirmed that #1Buck or larger is required to reliably achieve 12" of tissue penetration throughout the entire useful range of the weapon system.    In the one shotgun I keep loaded for social purposes (as stated here before, rifles are much, much more suited for this sort of thing), I keep Federal 2.75" 000 Buckshot.  It patterns beautifully out of the gun, adds a bit a range, and even a single .36cal pellet has an excellent chance of incapacitating a threat. 

I'm wearing mine as a backup gun right now.  It also replaced my beloved J-Frame, and I honestly didn't think anything ever would.  :up:   As for the half-cock "issue", like others here have said, the gun shouldn't ever be at half-cock.  IMO SIG shouldn't have even cut a half-cock notch in the hammer. 

  Probably more likely they're fudging the shell length.  That's pretty common with shotgun shells, and the length measurement is based on the spent hull, and there are different crimping methods... some 2 3/4" shells are definitely longer than others.    Either way, if I had a 20ga, I'd be all over this load, at least to see how it patterns.

I get even more of a chuckle out of that attitude. I'm not going to stand in front of a kid throwing rocks either, that doesn't make a rock a good self defense choice. .380 cannot be reliably counted on to achieve 12 inches of penetration in tissue. Period. .380 in a 9mm package is just dumb.

Nice looking rig.  What the heck is that thing on the muzzle?

Doing a bit more internet scouring.  Apparently Rio does make a 20 gauge 9-pellet #1Buck shell, but it's not the easiest thing in the world to find.

A marginal defensive round in a gun that's larger than several guns in which you can get an adequate defensive round.... what's not to like?  :down:   The fact that Glock sold more than about 12 of these is proof of just how strong the Kool-Aide really is.  :rofl:

  I have to disagree with you there.  If I get to decide the rules before I have a gunfight, sure, I'll take whatever kind of ammo I can find... but life doesn't work that way.  #1B or larger, if I'm being forces to use a shotgun for defensive purposes.    And the #3 and #4 buckshot goes through just as much drywall as the larger shot anyway, so basically you give up terminal performance for nothing. 

The biggest problem with the 20 gauge is the pitiful buckshot selection.  You're pretty much limited to #3Buck, which is marginal at best.    You can get a #2Buck load, but as best I can tell you have to get a 3" shell, which defeats the "low-recoil" purpose. 

True we have a bunch of critters down here, but they're not big ones.    Apart from maybe a really big black bear, or some of our newly reintroduced elk, any round that is good enough to use for self defense is more than adequate for anything that lives in Tennessee.