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  Just because you don't feel the recoil doesn't mean it isn't slowing you down.  It's not about protecting my delicate shoulder, it's about hitting targets faster.  ;)   Again, if the shotgun did any major components of defensive shooting better than the rifle, then it might be a compromise worth making... but it really doesn't.  The rifle will do anything the shotgun will, and a whole lot more. 

If you already have a bunch of Glock mags, one of the lowers that use them makes a lot of sense.   I didn't, so I just bought CMMG's dedicated 9mm lower for my SBT build.  It runs like a champ. 

  Running a pump shotgun from the prone takes the suck to a whole new level.  :yuck:

The shotgun is a much more complicated system than the revolver, or a proper autoloading rifle for that matter, and requires significantly more training to achieve proficiency. Between formal training clases,training, qualifications, 3-gun, tactical shotgun matches, and practicing for said matches, I'd say it's safe to say My shotgun round count is probably approaching 6 digits, encompassing pretty much any shotgun model out there. I may very well have shot more rounds through a shotgun than I have an AR. The more I shoot both, the more I favor the rifle. It just does everything better and easier, except shooting small quick targets. Sure the shotgun will do the job, but other than a cheaper entry cost, I just don't see a single advantage of the shotgun over the autoloading rifle for defensive purposes.

If I knew I was going to fight one adversary that was't wearing armor, didn't take cover, and was just going to stand there directly facing me while I shot him, the shotgun might be my weapon of choice. Of course, if I knew who the threat was and when and where he was going to attack me, I'd just be somewhere else that day...

  A couple of  highly-opinionated things:  :2cents:   Birdshot is a horrible idea for defensive use.  It cannot be counted on to penetrate a human attacker enough to incapacitate at any range longer than muzzle contact distance.  Which brings me to my second thing:   Expecting any projectile that can't penetrate drywall to stop an aggressive attacker is just wishful thinking, unless you are launching bowling ball or something even heavier.   The autoloading rifle is superior in every measurable aspect except price to the shotgun.  Outside of hitting small, fast-moving targets, the rifle does everything the shotgun can do at least as well, and is capable of much more if the need arises.  It's a much easier weapon to learn how to "fight" effectively.  It has much less recoil.  It allows for much, much more precise shot placement with much less chance of projectiles straying outside the target.

  All three will go right through at least two interior walls worth of drywall easily.   The 5.56 round is much more likely to deliver the entire "payload" into the target than either shotshell....

  :rock: :rock: :rock:

  Therein lies the problem.  100 bucks will barely buy an adequate set of rings for a scope, let alone a scope.  But 100 bucks will get you an excellent aperture sight and some practice ammo. 

I wish the gun companies would start putting front sights, or at least bases on the barrels of these new "bargain" rifles.  You could install a good rear aperture sight in the scope mounting holes and have a heck of a bulletproof "survival" type truck gun.

Very cool.  :up:

Going Sunday. 

  If he gets hired by a department that gives him .40S&W ammo, they'll likely issue him a gun that shoots it as well.    If he's spending his own money, the 9mm is the better choice.

You're really comparing apples and oranges here.  The G19 is a significantly larger gun, and thus is going to be much easier for you to shoot well. The S&W M&P Compact is a closer analog to the G19 than the Shield (but even it is a bit smaller).     Your first step needs to be to find a range where you can rent some different gun types and shoot them.  You'll find out very quickly what you like and what you don't.

  Centerfire Systems has used factory mags for about 15 bucks.   Brand new Mec-Gar (better than OEM) 17rds are about 25.

I think it is. (provided you have a transfer FFL that's reasonably priced) I bought one and the 5906 for 50 dollars more as well.  Both work perfectly, with quite a bit of holster wear.    Pretty much any fully functional 9mm auto from a reputable manufacturer for at or near 3 bills is worth buying.

A time machine so you could go back 10 years when you could get a good deal on one.   :mad:    These days, by the time you get an SKS you're only about 1 or two hundred bucks out of a decent AR.  :2cents:

I think I might print out a copy of the "old" TCA knife statute, and have the first thing my new knife cuts be the chains of tyranny!

  Why not?  The frame is just molded, it doesn't cost any more to put it on there, and it doesn't add bulk or weight.    What's interesting to me is the sudden development of small fixed-barrel autos.  Remington with the R-51 (if they ever get it right), and now this gun.  I wonder what's driving this?

Same operating principal as the HK P7. Awesome.

Well, except the AR10 was developed first, and scaled down to a 5.56 gun.....

  I have to second the Scout Squad.  I picked one up last year... IMHO, the M14/M1A makes more sense with the 18" barrel.  Great all-purpose weapon.

I'm sorry, I couldn't hear the article over the sounds of all the cars, .50cal rifles, astronauts, and nuclear weapons we build here....     :rock:

Looks like mostly cheap junk anyway.  I do think I see a pretty good looking Israeli FAL though. 

Okay, I'm not a huge Bud's fan, but I did pick up one each of these.  I love 3rd gen S&W 9mm guns.    5903 (stainless slide, alloy frame) for $299 free shipping   5906 (Stainless slide, stainless frame) for $359 free shipping.   Used, 80-90%.