JayC

"Remember: Evil exists because good men don't kill the government officials committing it." -- Kurt Hofmann

I don't always agree with Penn and Teller, but their show was always fun to watch :)

I think the issue is that flying over and performing 'searches' by air without a warrant in either the helicopter or a UAV is bad, and violates God given rights - yes I know SCOTUS currently doesn't agree.   UAV's concern people because they can stay up for 24-48 straight and are much cheaper to operate per hour.    

It CAN be programmed to FRS freqs, but it's not type accepted for FRS so you'd be violating FCC regulations by using it.   Because of that you might have a hard time finding a radio shop that will program it for you...   But, it is type accepted for GMRS use, channels 15-22 on bubble pack radios, and while technically GMRS 15-22 channels require a license, it's virtually unenforced...  You'd probably have no trouble getting a radio shop to program up those freq's.   I don't have the ability to program Kenwood radios, I do have the ability to program P110 Motorola's which are similar radios.  And since I have a ham license, I won't knowingly program radios that violate FCC regulations :)   Truth is you'd be better off buying a Baofeng UV-5R off of amazon for less than $30 and programming it yourself.  It has the same range as the TK-3107, plus 100+ channels and can cover MURS (os both VHF and UHF in one radio) as well...  Again completely against regulation because of type acceptance, but the FCC rarely if ever enforces type acceptance on these bands.  

The TVA radio network in question is a P25 trunk system. There are no radios you can go buy at target that are compatible with this system. If you guy a P25 compatible radio on the right band you're going to need somebody in their radio shop to set it up for you. Expect to pay north of $1300 for a new radio that is compatible with their system. FRS/GMRS bubble pack radios from Target and Walmart are simplex only and won't talk to a repeater as a general rule. The baofengs recommended above are good radios for the money, but don't support P25 trunking, and technically require a ham radio license to use and therefore can't be used for business purposes. The reality is you probably won't get in trouble for using them on frs/GMRS operation, or on business bands.... Although they aren't type accepted by the FCC for those uses..... Don't use a radio unlicensed or for business on ham radio freqs they do monitor that heavily and it will result in you getting a nasty letter from the FCC or up to a $10,000 fine... And that happens all the time.

The guys lives a mile away from the school in question...  it's not like his property is right next door :)    

If I wasn't doing anything illegal...  I'd tell the officers to expect a call every day as I used my personal property the way I see fit.    

They're really going to put up a serious fight to removing local parks preemption, after 3 years and no incidents of a permit holder shooting up a park that wasn't posted?   Even if the Chamber fights it, they lost last time...  FedEx and Company won't weight in either way.    

How do you explain Jefferson naming property as an inalienable right in the Declaration of Independence then?   Personal property and the freedom of even the lowest land owner to control his 'castle' has been around for hundreds of years...   Property rights are an inalienable right, there can be no question.   And while you want to talk about the taking clause, and you're right it's there...  every taking requires fair compensation...  here you want to take away part of my property rights and you're not even offering to pay me for the loss I suffer.   If you want to change tort law to state that denying a HCP holder the ability to carry automatically opens a business up to a suit...  I'll support that legislation 100%... sign me up.   I can make a moral and logical argument in support of a property owner taking responsibility for protecting his guests when they take the active setup of disarming those guests.   But, the truth is if an employee gets killed in a robbery, I can tell you from previous experience in my family that you're going to pay a large settlement already without changing any tort laws.    

There is no right to use my property...  I give you permission to use my property under conditions I set forth...  if you don't like the conditions go use somebody elses parking lot.   Again, nobody is denying any HCP holder their ability to carry a firearm...  a HCP holder is choosing to go unarmed instead of finding a different business to purchase stuff from, or work for...  it's their choice..  and by that mere fact, no rights are violated.    

Well in all fairness...  I spend most of my time working from my office at my home...  I have 1 employee and 1 part-time intern that regularly are over here working with me...  They were both required to get a HCP with 90 days of starting as an intern, or they would have lost their internship...  it's a very pro-firearm workplace...  I got my newest intern a holster for his new pocket pistol as a christmas present....  I don't frisk them everyday, but I suspect they're carrying everyday, and I would give them a hard time if they weren't :)  I'm very pro-2nd amendment, pro-carry....       I'm involved in a total of 8 business here in Middle TN, none of them have a policy against having firearms...  while I don't know if any of the other employees carry or not, I suspect some do.  We're for sure not searching cars, and frankly other than not wanting employees to smoke or smell like smoke around customers you'd be hard pressed to find a more relaxed working environment.   So, my issue with the current parking lot bill, and more so with any extension to the bill doesn't come from an anti-gun or I don't trust the people I work with prospective...  it's based on my core principals that while I'm very pro-gun/pro-carry many other employers aren't.  I don't think the government should, or has the legal or moral authority to created protected classes of worker...  The idea of expanding this law violates every core conservative principal I ever learned....  it encourages bigger government, which IMHO is a very bad thing.   I hope you're successful in your new startup, the best thing I ever did in my life was becoming my own boss.  But, once you do start getting employees in short order I suspect you'll get sick and tired of some government official trying to tell you how best to run your business or manage the people you work for.     The last thing I need is to fire somebody and they claim because I knew they had a permit was the reason I fired them.  And frankly if some crazy got hired and I became concerned about their carrying a firearm on the property...  my first reaction is going to be to fire them.  Because if I can't trust them with a gun in their car, I surely can't trust them with my money ;)    

I find the entire HCP system disgusting, immoral, and ineffective don't you?   Yes, I have an HCP and have had one for a long time...  I have one because it's the only way to legally be armed in my day to day life... and as a law abiding citizen, I generally jump through the unconstitutional hops presented to me because it's easier to do that than get arrested and fight the law in court.   I'd love constitutional carry...  I don't see any problem with it at all...  In the current political climate, I don't see why we would have to disband the HCP process if we passed constitutional carry... giving citizens an option, constitutional carry or get a permit if you feel you need one to travel outside the state.   I'm all for removing the governments ability to interfere in our daily lives...  prohibiting carry in a park or government building is bad and should be done away with...  Why can't we carry in the capital building?   The problem is I just don't worry about gun rights (although it's very high on my list), I worry about my other rights as well, including my property rights...  and even if I agree that people should be able to carry, I don't think the government has any business making a protected worker class and using that to force employers to violate their personal beliefs.  Somebody can hold a belief or a conviction and still believe the government has no business getting involved.   I've never done illegal drugs in my life...  if they were made completely legally tomorrow, I would still never use them... but I'm all for complete repeal of our drug laws..   I've never smoked a cigarette in my life, I personally find the habit disgusting, I always avoided businesses that allowed smoking... but I don't think it was right for the government to ban smoking in all restaurants.   I carry everywhere I go, with the exception of government locations, and I avoid those as much as possible :)  I think it's a good idea for people to be armed so they can protect themselves.  But, I don't think it's right for somebody to ask that a law be passed to limit employers right of contracts or property rights because they don't want to make hard choices in their own life.   I'm not even going to argue about the customer side of this because it's just so silly...  there are virtually no businesses in TN that have no local or internet competition.   As for the employee side, if you don't like the conditions of employment, find a new job...  if you can't find a job making as much as you do today, and you choose to stay at your current employer, then you've made the choice to place money over your safety and security...  That is a choice you've made as an adult, and I have no compassion whatsoever for your situation.   I've said it 100 times, show me a SINGLE person in TN who has an HCP and is forced to go underarmed (with the exception of interactions with the government)... and I'll support legislation to allow the government to use force to allow them to carry (and I for sure would support legislation to remove government buildings from the no carry list with very few exceptions).  The problem is nobody is being forced, they're free to find somewhere else to shop, or somewhere else to work.    

It's a bad bill...  there are much better bills that shouldn't be opposed by the Chamber or big business here in TN...  local park preemption for example.

There is no happy medium...  it's my business, I set the rules if you don't like the rules go find another job somewhere else :)  Turning HCP holders into a protected class is a bad idea.  It's always a bad idea to create a protected class, period.  It also violates core conservative principles.   Police officers are subject to trespassing laws just like the rest of us...  unless there are exigent circumstances you can ask a police officer to leave your building or your property unless they have a warrant, and they are legally obligated to comply.   At the end of the day you're right to carry is protected from GOVERNMENT interference...  Businesses 'violate' your rights on a daily basis already...  go and try to exercise your free speech rights at work and see how that works out.  As for your rights trumping mine...  that sounds a lot like a progressive view on the world...  that somehow the government can violate my rights just to protect yours?  Everyday on this forum we call BS on progressives that push how their safety is more important than our gun rights...   I'll stand up for your right to carry anytime and anyplace, until you start talking about passing a law that violates another person's rights in the process.   We shouldn't violate a person's right if there is a less restrictive alternative already available...  And in this case both as a customer and as an employee there are less restrictive alternatives....   As a customer, if you see a business which is posted...  go do business with somewhere that isn't posted...  your rights are intact, their rights are intact and the free market works.   As an employee, if you don't like the conditions of employment...  go get a job where the conditions of employment are more to your liking.  Problem solved.   Since there is already a remedy to your problem of being disarmed at work, there is no need for a law to fix the problem.  And both your rights and the business owners rights are left alone.   But, you can't be bothered to do that...  you want big brother to come in and make the big bad boss guy do what you want?    

The issue isn't him being armed...  the issue is asking the government to force an employer to allow somebody on their property when they don't want to...   You can be against a law, because the law violates somebodies right, but for carry or constitutional carry...    

I'm assuming he's complaining about 80% lowers...  where you have to 'finish' the lower on your own....  Those aren't firearms under current law and don't require serial numbers under federal law.  

And to take away my rights in the process?  Removing the ability of the government to ban carry, is a good thing...  removing the ability of schools and park the same...  decriminalizing the carry of firearm past signs... sounds great...   If you want access to my property, it should be under the rules I as the property owner define for access to my property...  Forsure if you work for me, your ability to carry a firearm while employed by me, or on my property should be based on the conditions you agree to as a condition of employment.   If you don't like my conditions of employment, go to work somewhere else, or start a business and compete against me.    

What about my constitutional rights?  You and I enter into an employment arrangement... you know the conditions of employment when you start, and you're free to quit and leave at anytime...  No business in this state is violating your constitutionally protected rights.   I don't have any policies in my business or any of the businesses I'm associated with that prohibit employees from carrying firearms let alone keeping one in their car...  I'm not concerned about people carrying firearms that are law abiding citizens.   But, I don't believe the government has the right to force me to allow an employee to violate my companies policies for any reason...  while this issue doesn't directly effect me, I oppose it on ethical and moral grounds.    

Go to the park and email him a post open carrying the day it becomes legal ;)   Trust me there is a certain speaker of the TN legislature I'll be doing the same to who was the only "republican" to oppose park carry when it passed.  

A great news story, far too few of them.

You see it as a sellout, some of us who own businesses see it as the right answer...  There *might* have been an argument that businesses that provide the public accommodation of a parking lot to their customers shouldn't be allowed to prevent law abiding citizens from keeping firearms in their cars.  Now I disagree with this thought process, because I believe it violates the businesses freedom of association (and disassociation) rights...  but at least one could make a rational argument in support.   Trying to pass a law that creates a protected class of workers who happen to have an HCP should be a no go...  it violates core conservative principles of limited government.  It was a bad idea from the very start, and for that reason the chamber and large businesses around the state wrote big checks to stop it.   Constitutional carry with the ability to prevent people from carrying in your business (the building), and prevent your employees from carrying won't have the same level of opposition as the parking lots bill did.  The chamber will be against it, but they were against the restaurant carry change...  FedEx and company won't have an issue because it doesn't change the status quo for them, they can still prevent employees from being armed on their property, and prevent customers from carrying inside their businesses via 39-17-1359 if they want - which I've NEVER seen a FedEx store posted btw.   At the end of the day if you want to carry and the business you work for won't allow you to carry then man up and find a better job that will...  I changed doctors because when they moved into a new office building it was posted...  so I changed to a new doctor who was pro-gun...  When Costco posted, I went down there and canceled my membership and the membership of all my employees.   9 years ago, I woke up and felt the business I was working for wasn't a good company, I ethically could no longer support what they were doing as a company...  some of that included their support of anti-2nd amendment groups and positions...  my wife and I sat down, figured out a 2 year plan, and started to work that plan...  about 4 months shy of the 2 year mark, they did a round of layoffs that I got hit with...  which believe it or not was a blessing because of the severance package.  Anyhow, 7 years later this will be the first year I make more money than I did the last year I worked for my former employer...  but I'm my own boss, nobody except the government tells me I can't carry everywhere I go... oh yeah I work a lot fewer hours than I did before, and I'm a lot less stressed...  I have free time to help causes I believe in (which TFA was one of those causes)...  and I get to see my daughter every morning when she wakes up, and every evening for dinner and bed time.   I made the hard choices that I felt were best for me and my family...     If you continue to pick making more money over the ability to protect yourself that is your fault and nobody elses...  and you're no better than the folks who bought more house than they could afford, then turned around and begged the government for a bailout.  *For the record you in the above paragraphs is not directed at anyone person just people in general*    

BDU.com technically isn't a TN business, but they often drop ship from a warehouse in Waverly...  They have BDU's in all sizes even to fit us big boys ;)   And unless you're an M-XL shirt/pant kinda guy most surplus stores are only going to have new stuff to sell you.   As for the tools and stuff, amazon ;)    

Hmmm seems my overall view of the new law isn't completely off base :)  I like Judge Napolitano, and signed a petition asking Gov Christie to appoint him to the empty Senate seat last year...  Of course instead of nominating a republican, Christie opted for an election and allowed another democrat to take the seat.  

I'm shocked :)    

Remember: "Evil exists because good men don't kill the gov. officials committing it" - Kurt Hoffman