papa61

I haven't checked today but both the house and senate bills were passing quickly through the various committees. yesterday they had called for removing the requirement of fiscal report from different agencies of the state.

for the fun of it, there is a nice HP that came up on armslist in Knoxville today. $1325.

truly not certain. the wording appears to put the burden of proof on us citizens which won't pass federal court scrutiny so I am taking the wait and see. proof being the background check and required training. if it translates to the same procedure as we now have without the state fees that would fix the proof issue.

somewhat watered down as current permit requires the state approved training.

Channel 2 WKRN Nashville just announced it appears this bill will pass. They then proceeded to interview the owner of a firearms training academy who spouted the exact fearmongering I had written about earlier. We don't need a bunch of people without training running around armed. (not direct quote) I know not all qualified training personnel think or speak this way so PLEASE do not take offense. But this guy is just worried about losing all that state required training money. My local shop now provides the current training free. I agree, everyone should get competency training but it should not be required. Oh by the way, if you look at my previous posts in this thread you will know that I have training. I will revisit where and when I can carry and deploy. We should all keep up to date.

love these. have one saved in my ebay. I like my holo sight, works great for old eyes. with flip ups for back up. just icingon the cake since with my AR pistol I should be able to hit anything in pistol range even without the dot

I used to buy black RUSTLERS for this reason. desk jockey now so none of that matters. when they get too thin for office I retire them to the garage.

won't be me. but someone will no doubt.

danged disrespectful little snot nosed brats

I was forced into it I tell ya!

they know from the history that more people carrying does not equal more gun violence. media is owned by liberals so they want to stop it before it passes.

this is our RIGHT people. get in and dig. stop being negative. there are enough firearm owners in this state to lobby our elected officials to get this through. call, text, tell everyone.

contact you state reps and senators. Bill has already passed judiciary committee. also need to complain to the local news about digging up every possibly even slightly negative firearm "story" and trying to spin and spread fear.

it was. reminds me of a fellow trainee we lost to low IQ mistake

I have to grudgingly agree. I still stand by my beliefs but some people are just nervous around firearms. It comes from the pounding we have had that guns are bad. enthusiasts know they are neither good nor bad but reflect the person holding them.

man,,,from the year I was born. and SO nice! I almost traded for an FM detective (compact) model. just couldn't quite get the deal closed. sad, it's worth more now and I wasn't trading a firearm so I would have come out ahead.

and I do own a few smoothbores. lol

mine too. but as a civilian, I now have firearms. so far, none have been used as weapons thank God.

check this guy out. gonna gouge you wit current GB price but not giving you GB price on trades. ARMSLIST - For Sale: BCM Bravo Company Uppers 300 blackout 9” MCMR and 11.5” 5.56 MCMR brand new in box

I gave up on WSMV when they started firing the older reporters. Demetria was still there so not many noticed.

wish I'd know someone with a tag a few years back when one tried to empty my coy pond. moved since so no more pond,

I can understand your stance and support you having that choice. That is why I raised the question although sarcastically. We need this type of discussion to stay ahead of the curve.

Agreed no NORMAL person wants to shoot anyone but I don't want to go as far as any SANE person and give the idiots an out. Not trying to be funny, we have ambulance chasers that will do it. I also agree that at the very least we need basic gun safety in schools. I have told my non gun owning friends they should teach or have their children taught this from an early age. you cannot control what the household where your children's friends live so they will encounter a firearm at some point. Better it be from you or a good trainer. I learned my middle son could climb to the top of my closet. This made me buy a lockable handgun case. Fortunately the only damage was a hole in a piece of furniture and a bump on the forehead. And I can assure you he had been taught, child is rebellious to this day.

Now we get into the heart of keep and bear arms. What would you consider infringement? According to federal case law from the Jim Crow era, you cannot attach a fee or test to any God given Constitutionally guaranteed right. So what is a TICS fee and CCW class and test? Be patient. I believe any person who can legally walk our streets should be able to walk into any store selling firearms and purchase arms, ammo, and holster and walk out strapped. Do we have people that shouldn't walk our streets? Yes of course we do but that is another subject. Remember I said legally walk our streets. Consider the felon who has served his time (not early release/parole/probation) is his life worth less than yours or mine? what about his wife and children who deserve the protection we all hold dear? THIS is my belief on who should be able to keep and arm themselves including in public. I have had training. My father trained me, my grandfather trained me, my uncles and older cousins trained me, and my Uncle Sam trained me. How long has it been since you completed your CCW training? How many new laws regarding carry and use of force have been enacted since? Are you sure?? How many CCW permit holders retained anything from the class longer than to pass an exam? How many instructors don't care if you learn anything as long as they get paid? I'm not picking on anyone but we all know there are those out there who fit these descriptions. For that matter, how many LEO are not well trained yet we think nothing of their ability to carry. Now I am not familiar with the lady shooting a store clerk during a shoplifting and no reference is there so my opinion here may be off. With any right comes responsibility. If one owns a firearm it is one's responsibility to learn and understand the rules and laws regarding the use of that firearm just as it is their responsibility to use the correct ammo, loading procedures, safe handling and on and on. No? Ignorance is no excuse when it comes to law. In addition to what I was taught mentioned earlier, I have also continued to study through magazines, news articles, internet vids, and my fellow gunners. I could be behind on this one but I will stand behind and use this rule for unholstering my firearm; if one is justified in drawing their weapon they are justified to pull the trigger. In other words, keep in in leather until you are justified in USING it. This applies partially to LEO who should not POINT at anyone they are not fully justified in shooting. I give law enforcement a pass on having weapons at ready. another point is one of the cardinal rules of firearms, DO NOT POINT/COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO KILL/DESTROY. If the shoplifter was fleeing and unarmed that is the end of the story or should have been. We should all know the rules of who you can and cannot shoot. Add those two previous together and you have a no shoot no draw. The responsibility falls completely on the armed lady who pulled and fired. Not the city, state, or federal government nor you or I. Y'all be nice now. cut me to shreds in a way that won't stop the discussion. We do not have to agree to be civil.

Just a random devil's advocate thought. If Tennessee passes the "constitutional carry" bill into law and US congress passes national reciprocity will we be able to carry nationwide without a permit?? I'm all atwitter.