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I cannot see what you are quoting, but if you want to leave your house open to whomever without vetting them,,,be my guest. as far as casualties from razor buoys, if you break the law you pay a price, just like if they tried to break into your house. Whether they need to be revised or not we have laws regarding immigration, they should be enforced. If you are feeling guilty about European expansion into America, you can return your land to me. I have enough native blood to claim it. As I said before, Israel exists, countries expand, that is the way it works and the PLO and Hamas have constantly attacked Israel. Part of the expansion has been to halt incursions into Israel by making buffer zones.

closing the barn door after the cow got out? another lesson for us to support our rights.

@gun sane linked an article in his thread https://www.timesofisrael.com/comparing-america-to-israel-on-gun-laws-is-dishonest-and-revealing/ explaining it. I think you would see a higher level of concealed carry there than here 10-15 years ago. I knew they were required to have military training, part of their version of homeland security a generation ago.

How ironic considering the comparison of U.S. and Israeli expansion

BTW, how did that, "the government will protect you" work out for them?

Interesting article. The comparison of government trust is very telling. Israelis trust their leaders while the U.S. founded a federal government under protest. only going forward after the bill of rights limiting federal powers was added. I have to disagree with the Texas professor asserting that personal arms are irrelevant against modern government armies. This idea, parroted often by our president, has been proven false in so many conflicts in so many countries it should be laughable to everyone. Strategically placed persons looking for people who would be a threat is now outlawed and labeled profiling in this country.

Growth was natural, expansion was self preservation. The Jewish nation propagated and needed more land, they also had to create buffers against radical extremists bent on driving them out. when Ben gave the sodbusters 40 acres to farm, he didn't think about them getting bigger. when they started fencing off his range and killing his cattle he had them all hung and took his 40 acres back. Israel has gotten too big to hang and they have U.S. backing up their fences. While it may have been bad planning to relocate the Jews back to the middle east, most of us are not old enough to remember when there was no Israel. In my opinion, it is the Palestinians who refuse to live beside the Jews. All religion aside, Israel exists, the U.S. exists, history is written by the victors and revised by those who oppose them.

#1 - probably not 2 - you are totally correct 3 - any support would be providing aid and comfort to the enemy in Palistinian eyes 4 - yes, if we align with anyone it should be for our self interest as I said before. "humanitarian" aid is for charitible orginizations. 5 - same here. We need a presence and an ally in the middle east. The U.S. has gotten friendly with the Saudi government in recent times which strained U.S. Israeli relations. If we do not support Israel now it could be bad for us. Terrorists MUST be dealt with, although England probably considered the colonists as terrorists.

I don't know when Israel disarmed the population, I missed that. Used to be everyone had to engage in training and were encouraged to be armed. I believe it is one's responsibility to maintain their own personal security and contribute to the security of a free state. How many countries have invaded Afghanastan? How many have been successful? If 20% of all people in the US were armed at all times, how would 9/11 have turned out? No one would remember the date because it would not have happened. If 20% of the attendees of the festival where all of those people were taken hostage were armed it would have turned out much differently. If the representative in D.C. were armed he would not have been so easily carjacked. "But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up." MATT 24:43 - meaning, be prepared at all times.

Then there's that...

I disagree with only the federal government policing us. The only function our federal government should attend to is maintaining the security of OUR nation. We do not need them policing us, we have state and local government for that. Maintaining our security sometimes involves fighting foreign wars, I try to elect leaders I trust to make that decision in our best interest. You are correct on the rest, including our governments spectacular failure lately.

Air Force. Didn’t do much militarying, but I did sit around in comfortable digs thinking about stuff. damn, I knew it Chuck! Recruiter used similar tactics to get me in the Air Force...told him I'd sign if I could fly jets, that put an end to it with my vision LMAO! David, a recent study said that men would be better off if they sat to pee. Otherwise, I'm an adult, maybe a bad tempered one but I can respect others as long as I receive the same and here if I do not I just ignore it.

I was thinking the same. Have to check his profile but he was probably a Marine. LOL

there is an old adage comparing dedicated and committed using a pig and a chicken. I believe if we lend aid we are chicken, if it is in our interest to be involved in anything we should be committed, commitment involves sacrifice. Y'all need to think about this, we need to be a community here, discuss and learn, be united in our interests. If Ukraine is a needed ally, we should have sent forces in to quickly secure their sovereignty, if not we should stay the hell out. Same goes for Israel or any other nation. Look at history and see what happens when we stick our nose where it does not belong and what happens when we do not protect strategically important foreign nations. How many lives would have been saved had we entered WWII earlier? What if we had stayed out of Vietnam? Weigh these things carefully.

this popped up while I was typing. Yep, hard to strike a balance between isolationisim and wide open border diplomacy. we should all be open to public discourse without demeaning opinions other than our own. THIS war is going to get nasty, no doubt. Are we contractually commited to help? are we morally obligated? is it in our best interest as a nation? these things are what we should discuss, not who's fault or what policy caused it.

Only true friends can discuss politics and religion. Any others will fall into anger. I have my beliefs and you have yours, as long as we are civil, we can discuss anything. Respect for your fellow man should be at the top of your list of things to do every day. Yes, political policies from several nations contributed to this mess. No I don't relish or encourage war. That said, I agree with the Biblical way to wage war, kill them all and let God sort them out. THTA is why we need great leadership in great countries, because war is the very last option to protect yourself and your nation.

It might be legal but I'd prefer not to.

Yes,,,yes I would. Turn him loose out back and let him be a "barn cat". but that is IF we needed a barn cat, which we do not

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The US pushed Israel into negotiating peace with Yassir Arafat, a known terrorist. This is what happens when you negotiate with terrorists. We have, or at least had, a policy of non-negotiation but what's good for me is not good for you. Sound familiar? I am not at all surprised, world society will continue to degrade until God says enough.

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