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7 minutes ago, TGO David said:
I suspect their customer bases are 10% true fanboys and 90% people who just like stirring up liberals.
Businesses who sell #### for the sole sake of antagonizing people you don't like always make big money.
I knew there was Trump merch, didn't realize there were retail stores. DJT came from business where self promotion was common. this just goes with image over substance I referred to before. He knows that there is no such thing as bad publicity. the mor oyu get your name out the more votes you are liable to get. Why not sell that and make more capitol to produce more publicity. It's marketing genius used by everyone inbusiness.
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16 minutes ago, 45guy said:
I missed a ground hog from 30 yards. It could have been many different things. Still do not know how i missed that little guy.
My cousin tells that story better. No offense intended. He carried a 1911 around the farm, his yearling bull saw him jump around the corner of the barn, pull said 1911 and shoot in his general direction. They found the bull 4 fences away, he jumped them all.
If it makes you feel better, he missed and groundhog is a smaller quicker target. Also, bet you weren't prone from elevated position.
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1 minute ago, BigK said:
I think the politicians and main stream media are equally to blame for this predicament. They foment the vitriol as if pitting us against one another is the only way they can achieve their goals. We should be even more afraid of why they don't want unity than we are of the lack of it.
EDIT: Even though I'm well aware of this fact, I fall for it all the time.I have to agree, division benefits both parties though I believe one more than the other. I also believe on side promotes it more.
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MSNBC and Foxnews reports both slamming the security teams with their "experts". Gumaker stocks rose today. Whether anything will become of either remains to be seen.
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1 minute ago, Links2k said:
All of the things you mentioned would outstanding, if Trump can achieve them. While he’s at it, I’d like him to push unity among Americans. Because Americans disagree on who should lead the nation, doesn’t mean we need to hate one another. There are billions of people outside of our borders already doing that.
Deity may or may not be a stretch. I formed that opinion based upon reading many thousands of comments during live streams.
Maybe some think DJT is appointed but no true Christian would elevate him to deity. Going down that road would make the shooter akin to Judas who was used for God's plan. I can't see Trump as the anti-christ either.
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I do wish to add that I truly believe that God is capable and willing to heal our land. I have not lost my faith in God, I have lost my faith in mankind. When I say he doesn't care about nations or leaders, I mean outside of his children. If God's people got down in earnest and repented of their (our) complacency and begged for his forgiveness and help, our problems would be solved. My mind says those qualifications will not be met. For my grandchildren's sake I pray I am wrong.
As far as the what ifs and whys I'm reminded of something I read years back regarding the subject. If abortion had been legal at the time and place, Adolph Hitler would not have been born, same for Albert Schweitzer. We don't know what course this world will take. I will understand it all when I get home.
Just a chance, if you notice I'm not a benefactor at the moment. Membership came due at the same time as some very large Vet bills. We lost our Boy Timmy to arthritis and a pinched nerve in his lower spine. He lived a good life and was a great dog, why did he have to die and why did he lose the use of his hindquarters on the day of his vet appointment. Priorities change. One could speculate as to what God's will is at every turn but Jesus said do not tempt God.-
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y'all are goin to fast for me LOL. so here;
with USSS counter snipers around I wouldn't fire without notification, the report I heard was he fell. (probably back peddling as seen in Uvalde) Complacency and lack of skill/training were factors.
Saul/Paul was not a leader of nation but a leader within the Church, Didn't get into the others
9 minutes ago, NoBanStan said:Faith his taught me that knowledge of God's work is positional. When it's time for you to do His bidding, you'll know. Others around you may not however, because it's not theirs to know. That's your personal relationship with Him at work.
this^^^^^
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26 minutes ago, Rambo84 said:
I have just read through the last 60+ posts and interestingly enough Divine Intervention has been the only answer the original question. I would pose a question to those questioning Divine Intervention: If not Divine Intervention, then what was it?
poor marksmanship. At under 300 yards it was a layup for anyone with any knowledge of how to shoot a rifle. 300 meters is a doable headshot. If your target is moving, center of mass, aim small miss small. Snipers are trained at much longer ranges, this was battlefield close.
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35 minutes ago, Chucktshoes said:
I’m comfortable in saying and fully believe that all things work according to His will for the furtherance of His ends. I just am of the mind that we should be very cautious of laying that divine imprint on any specific instance.
A pastor who has a YT channel I enjoy, Mike Winger, he said something once, and I don't remember exactly how he worded it, but the basic premise was: People love to chalk all sorts of things up to divine intervention. "God made the light turn green for me at that intersection", etc. When is it actually? The first thing to do is take what we know about who God is and what he wants to see happen. If you can't draw a direct line between the divine hand you thought you saw at work and the God you know from Scripture, than calm down.
I guess what I’m trying to get at is that if we believe that God is at work at all times in all ways, in a sense, all is divine providence. What makes this moment deserving of special recognition and elevation? Is it God showing us action in an extraordinary way for His desires, or is it us ascribing extraordinary action to something because it aligns with our desires? I can’t answer that so I am simply advising caution when making statements regarding divine action.
This excellent posts touches on what makes me uncomfortable about a lot of the divine action language that comes out surrounding Pres. Trump. It often walks very close, and sometimes crosses the point of elevating him in a manner that no man merits.
My response to David covers the response to you, I just quoted you because I didn’t want to appear to be ignoring your response to me.
Once again, I seek not to be dismissive or unduly critical, and offer these words with love and humility. If I seem extra cautious on this subject, it’s because I am.25 minutes ago, Omega said:I've never really been a religious man, but this sidebar has me baffled. Many of you who believe God can create the entire universe, can't make a bullet miss because he has a different plan for the target? Really seems you think so little of him to be so dismissive of the idea that he could have simply had a plan and would not let anyone sidetrack it at that moment. Yes, it could all be a coincidence, and I lean toward just a rushed shot from a shooter with bad marksmanship skills, but like I said, I am not a religious man.
Would never consider I was being dismissed. There are a few people on here that I find offensive, Chuck is not one of them even when we disagree. Thanks
I will revert to the preacher in me now
I do not believe God cares in the slightest who leads what country nor if any of our nations even exist. When the Hebrews asked for a king, what did God tell Samuel? they have not rejected you they have rejected me (God) God did not appoint a king but told Samuel to harken unto the people. God is not interested in what a person aspires to or achieves. He does not mold every day of the world. He set it in motion and placed us here with free will as stewards of his creation. His will is that His word will stand throughout time regardless of man not because of mankind. I believe that each of us has a job to do but if we refuse God will send another IF it pleases him. Otherwise it will be set upon us as failure at judgement whether the task is done or not.
That said, I do believe this nation will continue to decline as long as we refuse to acknowledge the true and living God. I also believe that decline is inevitable. We can delay it but it will come to all nations.-
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18 minutes ago, Grayfox54 said:
Oddly enough, other than MSM saying it was an AR-15, both sides have been uncommonly quiet about gun control. Usually after any shooting MSM goes right to gun control. Curious indeed?
one report compared the AR15 to an M4. Another stated the rifle was nothing special. I have heard comments about the young man living in a "gun culture". JB's handlers know better than to push his "assault rifle" ban in a time like this as even MSM has said LEO can't be everywhere always and you can't stop a lone wolf. The underlying tone is there but left unspoken. probably intentionally to keep GOP from bringing up the dems who said DJT would be the end of democracy and needed to be dealt with sic.
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40 minutes ago, btq96r said:
Some folks might see me making comments on this as knocking on Trump, it's not. I admittedly think he's nowhere near someone I want to be President, but that's not relevant to any of what happened here. He's a politician, image matters as you say.
Two things came to mind when I saw the images of him with the blood smears.
1) He has a political advantage from it. Even if it's going to make Democrats less aggressive in how they go after him and his policies, that's something. I think it'll bring his supporters out even more than anything else, which is the opposite of how Biden is losing enthusiasm in his base.
2) The response he had was very human and indicative of his character. He has always been a defiant type, and with the adrenaline flooding his system, he wanted to stand up and be seen as such. Part of that is maybe it's hard to get a 6'3" guy who I assume can't bend over that well to keep his head down, but he very clearly saw the moment, even if it was a spontaneous reflex.
he has a big mouth and needs to leave the social media to a specialist. In other words, he and I would not be friends even if I like what he says. I would also not knock him for the things we disagree on. He would also not be my first GOP choice.
This attempt on his life can only help his campaign as JB has always appeared weak. Remember, appearance over substance.
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4 minutes ago, NoBanStan said:
This. Trumps knee jerk to Vegas was to ban bump stocks. The republican party has recently ditched 2A as part of their proposed platform and now their lead candidate nearly took one of the dome.
It ain't looking good for us peaceful folk who happen to have firearms.Unless dems get control of both legislative bodies the current SCOTUS has turned that tide.
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7 minutes ago, btq96r said:
He'll know how to turn the assassination attempt to his advantage. Was already starting when he realized the shooter missed by the images we saw. He's very attuned to image presentation. The timing of it with the convention is something I think he'll make use of as well.
Sadly, we live in a time when people regard image above qualifications. Therefore, even the best of people must be highly conscious of their image. I'd be pretty pumped too had I just missed death by a fraction.
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2 hours ago, btq96r said:
Are we talking about the same Donald Trump? Subdued isn't in his style...especially after he experiences some kind of massive and turbulent event and comes out in a better position.
Near death experiences change the way one thinks, and very quickly. Not saying it will change him in that respect but he is changed.
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2 hours ago, BigK said:
I read about others claiming it was staged too. How nuts do you have to be to think anyone would allow someone to shoot your ear from 130 yds away? Shows how illogical and blinded by hate some people can be.
a reputedly bad shot without optics at that
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2 hours ago, Chucktshoes said:
I have not been one to hold the views of the southern preposterous lie center as anything of value in a very long time. Many years ago, they performed a valuable service, but have long since strayed from their original mission.
as far as the article is self goes, the author absolutely has a particular viewpoint that they are trying to push. That’s something one should always be aware of in all media. Still am of the view that there may be data of value to consider here, we shall have a better idea in the fullness of time.
Lastly, I don’t speak much about my faith because I do not want my weaknesses to push anybody away from drawing close to Christ. In this moment I feel compelled to speak up as a Christian though. Please accept these words with the humility and respect that they are offered.
It is difficult enough to discern the intentions of man in any individual instance where they are unable to tell them to you. I find it a very risky proposition to ascribe divine motives to any event that cannot be truly tested by scripture. In this particular case, it risks, deifying a mortal man, and putting a divine mandate upon his shoulders.
While I have openly expressed my feelings about President Trump, I am very grateful to God that he was not killed in this attempt on his life. I am praying for the injured, the dead, and their families. But please, to my brothers and sisters in Christ be very cautious before laying a divine imprint upon the events of Saturday.
the Bible tells us it rains on the just and unjust alike. It also says man has a prescribed time to die.
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2 hours ago, AuEagle said:
First interview after assassination attempt.
Let us hope this results in a calmer, more subdued DJT. The one thing he has needed from the beginning. I stated earlier in the thread I'd try to refrain from the political aspect so I'll leave it at this.
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Thanks for the linked articles guys. I wouldn't normally look at USA Today. their article was subdued somewhat and even stated they were using unsubstantiated and hacked info leaked by investigators. Not saying it wasn't factual, just that what was written earlier about waiting until the investigation is over bears repeating. The spokesperson did say the rifle was nothing special.
Pure speculation on my part: This was an exceptional young man who was ostracized by his peers and decided to show his father and the gun club how well he could shoot.
The comment on learning why is very relevant and a touchy subject to those of us here in middle Tennessee.
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1 minute ago, btq96r said:
I was taking a nap and haven't done more than scan some feeds for info yet. I'm already cringing at the word "sniper" being used.
also report from someone labeled as military stating an AR15 was essentially the same as an M4. The shooter was nowhere near being a sniper.
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8 minutes ago, NoBanStan said:
This is my thought. How in the world is there an unsecure rooftop ANYWHERE near this event? This is a MAJOR screw up
The report now says 200-300 yards with an AR15 style, 7 or 8 shots. Damn son, that's a fail where I was trained.
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This could go the other way from what is being speculated. Americans could see what all of the polarized extreme right and left are causing and decide we have had enough. One can still have hope.
I don't believe this but it is possible.
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1 minute ago, Links2k said:
I believe him. I’m going to attempt to find the video I saw of people immediately pointing to the left when the shots rang out.
third witness believes she saw shooter in the bleachers. maybe they saw one of the victims amybe there were two shooters.
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22 minutes ago, Chucktshoes said:
I based what I said on two eyewitness accounts. I wasn't there and the shooter was not on camera. Even so, why wouldn't there at the very least a drone overwatch looking for snipers on rooftops? I want to know what the range was.
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I will try to avoid the political end of this, I'm sure it will be covered.
Saw the vid in slow motion,
1. Trump grabbed his ear and kept speaking, looked at his hand and put it back to his ear before SS floored him. Secret Service was slow.
2. How did security allow someone to climb the back of the bleachers. Security was lax
3. Secret Service agent infront of Trump after he was put into his vehicle couldn't find her holster.
4. Shooter got off more than one shot.Several people need more training. And before anyone brings it up, I know about stress and adrenalin and that is what we train for.
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Shooting at Trump rally?
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I had a huge one at a place my ex and I had. Could never get a shot at him. The dogs caught and killed it.