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You had me right up until golf, sorry brother, that's where I draw the line.

I had a huge one at a place my ex and I had. Could never get a shot at him. The dogs caught and killed it.

I knew there was Trump merch, didn't realize there were retail stores. DJT came from business where self promotion was common. this just goes with image over substance I referred to before. He knows that there is no such thing as bad publicity. the mor oyu get your name out the more votes you are liable to get. Why not sell that and make more capitol to produce more publicity. It's marketing genius used by everyone inbusiness.

My cousin tells that story better. No offense intended. He carried a 1911 around the farm, his yearling bull saw him jump around the corner of the barn, pull said 1911 and shoot in his general direction. They found the bull 4 fences away, he jumped them all. If it makes you feel better, he missed and groundhog is a smaller quicker target. Also, bet you weren't prone from elevated position.

I have to agree, division benefits both parties though I believe one more than the other. I also believe on side promotes it more.

MSNBC and Foxnews reports both slamming the security teams with their "experts". Gumaker stocks rose today. Whether anything will become of either remains to be seen.

Maybe some think DJT is appointed but no true Christian would elevate him to deity. Going down that road would make the shooter akin to Judas who was used for God's plan. I can't see Trump as the anti-christ either.

I do wish to add that I truly believe that God is capable and willing to heal our land. I have not lost my faith in God, I have lost my faith in mankind. When I say he doesn't care about nations or leaders, I mean outside of his children. If God's people got down in earnest and repented of their (our) complacency and begged for his forgiveness and help, our problems would be solved. My mind says those qualifications will not be met. For my grandchildren's sake I pray I am wrong. As far as the what ifs and whys I'm reminded of something I read years back regarding the subject. If abortion had been legal at the time and place, Adolph Hitler would not have been born, same for Albert Schweitzer. We don't know what course this world will take. I will understand it all when I get home. Just a chance, if you notice I'm not a benefactor at the moment. Membership came due at the same time as some very large Vet bills. We lost our Boy Timmy to arthritis and a pinched nerve in his lower spine. He lived a good life and was a great dog, why did he have to die and why did he lose the use of his hindquarters on the day of his vet appointment. Priorities change. One could speculate as to what God's will is at every turn but Jesus said do not tempt God.

y'all are goin to fast for me LOL. so here; with USSS counter snipers around I wouldn't fire without notification, the report I heard was he fell. (probably back peddling as seen in Uvalde) Complacency and lack of skill/training were factors. Saul/Paul was not a leader of nation but a leader within the Church, Didn't get into the others this^^^^^

poor marksmanship. At under 300 yards it was a layup for anyone with any knowledge of how to shoot a rifle. 300 meters is a doable headshot. If your target is moving, center of mass, aim small miss small. Snipers are trained at much longer ranges, this was battlefield close.

Would never consider I was being dismissed. There are a few people on here that I find offensive, Chuck is not one of them even when we disagree. Thanks I will revert to the preacher in me now I do not believe God cares in the slightest who leads what country nor if any of our nations even exist. When the Hebrews asked for a king, what did God tell Samuel? they have not rejected you they have rejected me (God) God did not appoint a king but told Samuel to harken unto the people. God is not interested in what a person aspires to or achieves. He does not mold every day of the world. He set it in motion and placed us here with free will as stewards of his creation. His will is that His word will stand throughout time regardless of man not because of mankind. I believe that each of us has a job to do but if we refuse God will send another IF it pleases him. Otherwise it will be set upon us as failure at judgement whether the task is done or not. That said, I do believe this nation will continue to decline as long as we refuse to acknowledge the true and living God. I also believe that decline is inevitable. We can delay it but it will come to all nations.

one report compared the AR15 to an M4. Another stated the rifle was nothing special. I have heard comments about the young man living in a "gun culture". JB's handlers know better than to push his "assault rifle" ban in a time like this as even MSM has said LEO can't be everywhere always and you can't stop a lone wolf. The underlying tone is there but left unspoken. probably intentionally to keep GOP from bringing up the dems who said DJT would be the end of democracy and needed to be dealt with sic.

he has a big mouth and needs to leave the social media to a specialist. In other words, he and I would not be friends even if I like what he says. I would also not knock him for the things we disagree on. He would also not be my first GOP choice. This attempt on his life can only help his campaign as JB has always appeared weak. Remember, appearance over substance.

Unless dems get control of both legislative bodies the current SCOTUS has turned that tide.

Sadly, we live in a time when people regard image above qualifications. Therefore, even the best of people must be highly conscious of their image. I'd be pretty pumped too had I just missed death by a fraction.

Near death experiences change the way one thinks, and very quickly. Not saying it will change him in that respect but he is changed.

a reputedly bad shot without optics at that

the Bible tells us it rains on the just and unjust alike. It also says man has a prescribed time to die.

Let us hope this results in a calmer, more subdued DJT. The one thing he has needed from the beginning. I stated earlier in the thread I'd try to refrain from the political aspect so I'll leave it at this.

Thanks for the linked articles guys. I wouldn't normally look at USA Today. their article was subdued somewhat and even stated they were using unsubstantiated and hacked info leaked by investigators. Not saying it wasn't factual, just that what was written earlier about waiting until the investigation is over bears repeating. The spokesperson did say the rifle was nothing special. Pure speculation on my part: This was an exceptional young man who was ostracized by his peers and decided to show his father and the gun club how well he could shoot. The comment on learning why is very relevant and a touchy subject to those of us here in middle Tennessee.

also report from someone labeled as military stating an AR15 was essentially the same as an M4. The shooter was nowhere near being a sniper.

The report now says 200-300 yards with an AR15 style, 7 or 8 shots. Damn son, that's a fail where I was trained.

This could go the other way from what is being speculated. Americans could see what all of the polarized extreme right and left are causing and decide we have had enough. One can still have hope. I don't believe this but it is possible.

third witness believes she saw shooter in the bleachers. maybe they saw one of the victims amybe there were two shooters.

I based what I said on two eyewitness accounts. I wasn't there and the shooter was not on camera. Even so, why wouldn't there at the very least a drone overwatch looking for snipers on rooftops? I want to know what the range was.