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First, I didn't invent anything. I just followed directions given to me, which I shall now pass on to this forum. Materials: 1. some kind of degreaser (I used non-chlorinated brake cleaner) 2. spray paint (I used and recommend Aervoe in Sand, Highland Brown, Marine Corps Green and Olive Drab. I got mine from dsgarms.com) 3. some method to hold your rifle while you work. This was my setup: That's a simple sawhorse, c-clamp and scrap of wood that fit the magazine well. 4. something to use as a stencil/pattern. I used scraps of non-skid carpet pad, leaves and a laundry bag. 5. masking tape Prep the gun by totally removing any lubricant or grease from the outside, dry thoroughly. It helps if you can do this in direct sunlight and get the gun and the paint warm. Tape what you don't want painted, perhaps stick something in the muzzle. I taped off my iron sights, optics and light lens. Everything else got painted. Lay down a light coat of tan base, end to end. Do not overpaint. Drips and blobs are bad. It is not imperative that total coverage be had, but you do want to cover as much black as possible. A couple of coats if you like. You do not need to let the gun dry between coats. If you do it right, it will be tacky quickly. Aervoe instructions say another coat within an hour is appropriate, after that you have to wait three days. I did my coats back to back to back to back in a few minutes. Next layer is the highland brown. This is where the stencils come in. I cut the carpet pad into random shapes. Avoid straight lines and hard edges. You could use straw, pine needles, camo netting, a laundry bag, sheets cut into ribbons, whatever. The point is to cover some of the tan undercoat from being covered by the next layer. Spray the highland brown on, but DO NOT spray it end to end. Avoid regular striping or other patterns; make the highland brown cover spotty and random. Next layer is Marine Corps Green. Same rules as for highland brown, but in my case I used oak leaves to impart a pattern. Next layer is OD green. I slid a laundry bag on the rifle at this point. The OD green is used to blend the other paints, so end to end in a light, even coat. Same process for magazines. I had no problem painting Pmags, Circle 10 mags, and metal mags. The soft rubber on base plates and bikini covers on optics will not dry quickly; consider skipping them. Allow to dry, untape, shoot. I did four rifles and several dozen magazines with two cans of tan and one can of MC Green, Highland Brown, OD green and I have some left. I've seen guys get real creative with stencils, using paper plates, manila folders, cereal boxes, etc. for the template. The important thing is to remember that we are trying to break up the outline of a rifle and make it difficult to pick up in your area of operation. Avoid regular and repeating patterns. Know that the distance at which we are trying to be concealed is not ten feet, its more than 50', so what doesn't necessarily look good at 5' might be perfect at 75', and vice versa. Very small patterns without much color variation will turn your black rifle with a distinct outline into a brown rifle with a distinct edge. Go paint your guns. If you make a mess, brake cleaner and a brush will refresh your palate, so don't worry too much about your first effort. Good luck.

Love me some PM9. I have a Kramer ankle holster for it, among other holsters. The Kramer ankle holster is, in my opinion, the finest ankle holster made. I do not prefer to carry that way, but if it must be done the Kramer/PM9 combination is the way to go.

Have at it, but check your spelling if you are attributing it to me. I'm kinda anal like that.

I've been to Camden three times, and I took my then 13-year-old son once. In all three classes, Jay Gibson was the lead instructor. In every class, I felt safe and I learned a lot. I've trained with other outfits, some of which also have controversy and some of which don't. In every training environment, I have been able to learn something, compete with myself for improvement, and there were things I didn't like or find particularly applicable to my situation. So far, I haven't found anyone with "The Secret Sauce." In my experience, about 90% of this stuff is well-settled. You put the thing in the thing and pull the thing, point it at the bad guy and make it go bang. It's the 10% that people get all fluffed up about. I've heard one bunch harsh on another and all that. In the end, I like spending time with gun guys who know stuff that I want to know. I'll go back to Camden, and I'll train with those other outfits, too, and I'll keep going to new places as well. Gun guys are, by and large, brothers and that which binds us outweighs by a lot that which separates us. At least, that's how I look at it.

Dolomite: Where do you recommend that a civilian train?

Oh wow. That one ended badly, didn't it?

I do not understand civilian concealed carriers using a retention holster. If you use a proper leather or kydex holster, the gun is going to stay in the holster. I've never even heard of anyone trying to snatch a concealed handgun from someone. There's just no reason for a retention holster for a civilian carrying concealed. Furthermore, at this point, I do not understand anyone using the Serpa anywhere, anytime. Call it a "training" issue all you want, the release mechanism puts the trigger finger in the wrong place doing the wrong thing at the wrong time. Sure, Tex and others could have shot themselves just the same with any holster, but they didn't. There are numerous videos of the other famous Serpa failure, the failure to release. This is a flawed holster, plain and simple. The only people defending them are people invested in them, refusing to admit this holster is a problem going somewhere to happen. The Serpa holster, more than any other I've ever seen, tends to create problems that do not need to be introduced into an already inherently dangerous activity.

Oh. My. Goodness.

I taught a father and son how to shoot a Glock and an AK last week.

You should do it. Book it now, jump in the Team Room.

Tactical Response Course Review: Fighting Pistol, Camden TN 14-15 May 2011 This was my third time training with Tactical Response in Camden, Tennessee. I had previously taken Fighting Rifle in February 2010 and Fighting Rifle again in June, 2010, that time with my teenage son. After three trips to Camden, I can assure that there will be a fourth. This trip to Camden, like my others, began with the short drive from my hometown over to Camden and straight to the Team Room. I walked in on the usual suspects telling the same old lies and was met with a hearty hail fellow well met. HRCC has just wrapped and the informal debriefing was underway. Dinner with teammates at a nearby joint followed, then more lies, some gear prepping and then sleep. After breakfast, the class assembled at the Gear Store at 0900 on 14 May 2011. This class had twenty-four students. Six students were female, including one fifteen-year-old. This was my second class with a student who was not yet old enough to have a driver license, the first was my own son. In both cases, the adult classmates accepted the youth readily and the young adult blended in and successfully completed the class. Other students included father/son, husband/wife, and boyfriend/girlfriend combinations. The day jobs included LEO, construction industry types, teachers, a pharmacist, an eye surgeon, a lawyer, insurance salesmen, a car dealer and assorted others. Some had been to a number of training classes, and some had never been in a training class at all. One important thing I have noted in my three trips to Camden. In every class, there have been Tactical Response alumni, often retaking a class they had previously taken. This is illuminating. When a person is willing to not only return to the same training school, but also to take the same class, that person has given a huge vote of confidence to the school and the class. In Fighting Pistol, May 14-15 2011 I counted at least ten Tactical Response alumni, most of whom had taken Fighting Pistol, some of whom had taken that and other Tactical Response Classes. The instructors for this class were Jay Gibson, Tim Morris, Jacob Herman and Calvin Lim. I have trained with Jay Gibson and Tim Morris in previous classes. I would gladly train with any of them again, and I can pay no higher compliment than that. After class introductions were done, Jay covered the medical plan for any incidents. Following that, the four rules of safe gun handling were covered. One thing that is somewhat different than some schools is that at Tactical Response, there is only tactical gun handling, no “administrative†gun handling, and the range is “hot†always. I concur in the Tactical Response philosophy that “unloaded†guns are particularly dangerous. At Tactical Response, I have never observed anything that made me feel unsafe. After the safety plan, gun handling and other administrative matters were covered, we adjourned and reassembled at the range a few miles away. One great thing about training in Camden, it doesn’t take long to get where one wants to go. My gun for this training was a Glock 17 with a Surefire X300 with a DG switch. I used a Kaluban Cloak kydex holster mounted on an Original Special Operations Duty Belt with OSOE pouches. All of my gear functioned without problem. One advantage to the numerous training classes I have attended is that I have worked out my gear and found what works and what doesn’t. I had classmates this time who arrived with new or otherwise untested gear. They were often disappointed to learn that the guy at the gun store or the genius on the interwebs had given them bad advice on gear and/or guns. Before you spend hundreds of dollars on tuition, and hundreds more on ammo, food, lodging, gas and gear, make sure that the gear you are bringing to class will not interfere with your training. Play dress up, go to the range, run your gear in bad weather. Do not arrive at training with new gear that you have never tested, you will be sorry and your training will suffer. We began with the basics of the draw stroke, building slowly but steadily to our first shot. Every class I have attended, at Tactical Response and elsewhere, begins slowly reiterating the basics and fundamentals. I used to chafe at this, but I have come to realize that this might be the most important training that I do. One can never be too good or too trained up on the fundamentals. The first shots are taken at DEA dots. This requires focus and attention to detail. The instructors worked the line, tweaking students’ grip, draw stroke, front sight focus, and other details. We moved on to reloading. Next, the concept of FAST (fight, assess, scan, top off) was introduced. One thing I like about training with Tactical Response is that the training, the drills, everything is oriented toward avoiding a gun fight, but winning a gunfight if you wind up in one. All drills, everything that is done is tactically sound. Even retrieving spent magazines from the deck is done with gun pointed in on the target. We moved on to the several most common malfunctions and how to address them. Again, Tactical Response trains you to most efficiently deal with the most likely real world scenarios. We set up and trained to respond to multiple malfunctions, and the solutions were those that work for any handgun under any scenario. The next phase of training begins to press the envelope for some people. Different body positions are introduced, from kneeling to supine. Movement is introduced, including turns. Off hand and one hand only shooting is done. By now, the reason for intensive instruction on the fundamentals that begins the class is revealed if there was any doubt. We broke for the day, appropriate beverages were enjoyed and more lying ensued. Day two begins at the Gear Store. There is a three hour presentation on what it really means to be an armed citizen. This presentation is, by itself, a compelling reason to attend Fighting Pistol. I have carried a gun every day, every where for almost twenty years. I have saved the life of a gunshot victim. I have thwarted what I know was going to be a robbery or worse with my handgun. I have practiced criminal law for almost twenty years. With all of that behind me, this lecture was still informative, interesting, compelling and – best of all – on the mark. We returned to the range for more drills. Instructors refreshed the medical plan and the rules of safe gun handling. Drills on Day 2 build quickly to full on movement while pressing the trigger, forward, backward, weaving through barrels, moving to cover, all while reloading and maintaining tactically sound tactics, to include FAST. Also on Day 2 the concept of shooting from weapon retention positions is introduced and drilled. As noted, this was my third trip to Camden. If I had it to do all over again, I probably would have started with Fighting Pistol. This class has something to offer everyone who has a handgun, from novice to steely-eyed face shooter. I highly recommend that anyone considering training take Fighting Pistol. I know I will take this course again.

I do not understand the fascination with taking a gun that works and putting in aftermarket parts that are not even part of the original design. Do people open up watches and stick in extra gears and springs? I want a flipper on a glock like I want a wart on my cock.

I know this is a Tactical Response thread, but Tactical Response prefers to be referred to as Tactical Response, not TR. There is another training school commonly known as TR. Glad the OP found Tactical Response to be a good place to train. I've trained there, and I took my son to Fighting Rifle last summer for his 14th birthday.

D. None of the above, and none at all, thank you.

I am aware of the "break in" period but my PM9 has never malfunctioned. When I go to the range, I run a couple of magazines through it and then clean as appropriate. I don't see any reason you couldn't shoot several hundred rounds through it in one session.

I patrol the central Williamson County area regularly, usually in a loop between Fieldstone Farms, downtown, Cool Springs and Jim Warren Park.

Ahhh, the good ole days when you could get an new SKS with cleaning kit and sling at the gun show for a C note without breaking stride.

I bought a shotgun from Bellshire a year or so ago. Good deal, would buy from him again.

My neighbor was shot in front of my house in 1993. I saved his life, packed up the wife the next week and moved out of there. I got my permit shortly thereafter and have carried everywhere all the time ever since. Now that I am responsible for the care and feeding of two more people, I take personal security very seriously.

I had one. It failed. I see no reason to have a cheap imitation of an already inexpensive but critical part.

Ding! I have a PM9. It's my pocket gun. Once I go to a holster, I'm rocking a Glock. Love the PM9, but it's a niche gun for me.

I'm studying BJJ and MMA at Brentwood Brazilian Jiu Jitsu wuth Jeremy Akin. I strongly recommend this instructor.

Yes, which is why when asked I recommend anyone looking to buy a carbine look for a Colt, a Daniel Defense or a Bravo Company rifle.