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I’m starting this discussion to have added input on one that I’m having tonight in person. Here is the issue in front of us..... 38 special 158gr hard cast large flake powder on low velocity load around 700fps. Very dirty and smokey. setback is 0.10 on the cartridge in question So person 1 - it’s a low velocity load and soft cast lead. it’ll slide out like butter with no major pressure spike. Unlike a jacketed round the lead rib on the bullet is more for seating suggestion than as structural as a jacketed round would be Due to it being so soft. And person 2 - because it slightly wrapped around the rib of the projectile at the case mouth it won’t come out as easily and will spike pressure somewhat. Undecided on if it will matter because the case can handle a lot more than what it was loaded. Made up internet person 3 - OmG NoOOoo iT’lL eXplOdE. What do you think? For full disclosure at least 50 of these have been shot already and i do not own them, but do have some set back less than this so I’m interested in hearing opinions. clickable thumbs:

Several pawn shops that sell guns sell ammo and they are about all that seem to have it right now around me. The big stores have been out for months

Big dot xs are by FAR my favorite sights.

Yep....... they were lead. Lol, those got a “little” kick. Left a mark but still just 2 3/4” shells.

They are from 1990 so I can’t find any info. Box doesn’t say. I don’t have a magnet handy. expandable thumbs:

The only thing i have to say that’s not good is that I’ll repeat myself about it being non retention. While you are wearing it that means nothing because your hip presses the leather in and it has never moved on me at all - even riding my motorcycle (where you move around a lot). It’s not cracked or frayed in any way And it’s still as solid as when I bought it so for the money it’s awesome, but just that one thing should be noted because i have one situation that comes up occasionally with the retention issue. The issue is that when it’s off person the gun can easily fall out of the holster and the only time that matters is when I’m having a day that the shorts are too tight on my fat arse and I’m not feeling wearing the holster while driving my truck. I’ll unclip the holster and gun and set it in my (a) glovebox (b) console (c) between the seat or behind it. This means that if there are rough roads, a big jolt, sweeping turns, etc..... there is a chance (happened once) that the gun can slide out of the holster and you have to reach down and pick up a hot gun that has no trigger guard. I’m always careful so no chance of me grabbing it wrong, but if you had a passenger and they needed to get in the glovebox, console, etc and you trusted them and said “it’s under the gun and holster in the console just grab it out of there” then you may have someone reaching for a live trigger that is out of the holster. Yeah, it’s a long shot and sure it’s going to boil down to responsible handling, but in a world of idiot proofing things for people safety - it’s just something to be aware of. As far as real issues go, nothing to complain about. I have several months of use now and it’s just as nice as when i bought it. I expected leather wear and it hasn’t worn at all other than taking a comfortable shape.

Lightening the trigger and not doing any other changes is why we see people getting shot in the foot. To do it, it needs to be done right all the way from the trigger to sear. Most don’t, and stuff happens. When i change the glock trigger it’s going to involve a complete internal swap.

Not everyone wants a gen 5 with yet another completely different Barrel than they had the previous year. However I’ve noted that if I buy an $800 MOS and a completely different gun than the one reviewed it can be as good as the Canik. Solid reasoning, solid. While I’m at it I’ll replace the Elite SC with the SFx and there will be no comparison. Gen 4 Glock, Canik Elite SC...... are the two I’ve bought and they are solid in their own ways. It is what it is.

Decided to run by that random study website you base your buying opinions on and see what the top supporters of muslim neighbors are. #2 is rather ironic. Looks like you’re gonna be down to a slingshot soon. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/10/08/in-the-u-s-and-western-europe-people-say-they-accept-muslims-but-opinions-are-divided-on-islam/ft_19-10-07_viewsmuslimseurope_neighborsfamily420px/ clickable thumb screenshots

Neither the country of turkey nor the population of turkey are Canik. They are a private company like any other, but the irony of supporting Glock and not Canik is a bit much to bother with. “A random independent study told me they don’t like the US, and I support the US, and I love the US, so I’m spending my money in Austria.....but not the US”. LOL. . . . . . ...........lol. I can’t even. Buy whatever ya like folks, for whatever reason...... but do please keep telling us why because it’s pretty hilarious.

One thing i also forgot that is very important. The rear sight on the glock is straight up and down and smooth. You cannot kick the slide off the rear sight if you only have one hand available. The Warren Tactical rear sight on the Canik is not only serrated, but angled so it is specifically designed to be racked off the rear slide with one hand and that’s very important for safety.

They are definitely getting pricey. They used to go below retail and now they are commanding MSRP. since i was just talking about the guns themselves i forgot to put in the list that the $60 IWB/OWB Reversible holster is included with purchase as well with the Canik and it’s adjustable retention and very heavy duty.

I was there friday morning, probably saw you. Lol. A lady and her daughter came in and ordered a 43x while I was standing there.

A couple of notes of observation today. - front serrations present on the Canik, none on the Glock - slide cut present on the Canik, none on the Glock - striker indicator present on the Canik, none on the Glock - loaded chamber indicator present on the Canik, none on the Glock - lightening cuts present in the slide of the Canik, none on the Glock - the striker is 4 times thicker on the Canik - both have replaceable backstraps - both have dual captured springs - both have an indention cut into the trigger guard - the barrels are about the same thickness on both, but the Canik is a cold forged match grade barrel. - the triggers physically are the same, but the Canik breaks and resets much better - the mag springs are much tighter in the Glock, needs a loader to be done comfortably. MSRP - Glock $749 / Canik $429 To get the Glock milled for an RMR and slide cuts is roughly $250. A trigger job to make it as good as the Canik is $150. A replacement Match grade glock barrel is $125. The steel tactical sights upgrade for glock is $100. +$600 to get the Glock up to the Canik standards so $749+$600 = $1349 We all know Canik triggers are legendary, and we know they are a great value so really all I wanted to know is out of the box how do they compare to the Glock 19. After I got adjusted to the Glock I think I shot it just as well - even if I wasn’t impressed with the trigger. It seems to be a great gun, but at a cost. If I were spending the money I’d choose just as i did. I bought the Elite SC. Later I bought the Glock. Both are great and everyone interested in them should have both. I think you will upgrade the Glock differently if you own the Canik first.

Last month I got the Canik Elite SC to go with my SFx. This month I got it’s direct competition. For those who have been wondering what they’d be like neck and neck to compare, here ya go. There seems to be a lot of hoopla between these two. I’ve seen a lot of comparisons, so here’s what seems to be of interest to people. I took shots from every angle of comparison. People talk a lot about the glock grip angle, but the Canik seems to be almost identical. They both shoot well, but the blocky grip of the Glock is not comfortable compared to the Canik. Also, because of the trigger difference going between them back and forth screwed me up to where I had to step back and get on target with the Canik again - which I shoot exceptionally well. After shooting the glock I came back and was shooting low with the Canik for the first mag. You really need to get used to one or the other and you can be on target with either one pretty nicely. Going back and forth between them didn’t go well. Lol clickable thumbs