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Did the range get stormed on last night? If so is it muddy ?

Karma, I suppose for posting a couple of negative videos about Police Brutality. Yesterday I got pulled by the Police. Basically, I was coming home from repairing a house and wasn't paying attention as I came up the hill and when I say them and they saw me, I knew I was caught speeding. I turned right and immediately started to pull over as their blue lights came on.( they barely had them on before I pulled over and stopped) Got my license out, keep my hands around the steering wheel, handed my license to the officer before he could ask for it or tell me why he stopped me. He asked if I knew why he had stopped me , I took a wild guess () speeding. yep.. I apologized, said I wasn't paying attention since I live right around the corner and was coming home from doing a repair. I did not answer my cell phone while he was talking to me. ( that would be rude!) Interactions were efficient, respectful and easy on both sides. A little while later he came back up said Mr. ______ we are going to give you a warning this time. I was very surprised as I had already mentally accepted the ticket and was thinking how much 2 nights of traffic school fun was to be had by me. I thanked him and voluntarily promised to be more careful and watchful of my speed. I hope to live up to that but I admit I have a lead foot and belief that the purpose of a car is to get me from pt a to pt be as quickly and safely as possible which usually means I am traveling above the speed limit.. All in all interactions with the Officer were good, respectful and professional ( the way they should be ). I would of felt the same way if had issued the ticket. I thank the young officer for doing a good job and wish him many more good and safe years in LE.

Not sure about that. First I have heard of it.. I think what the author is trying to get across is that the founding fathers made a covenant with God to either be like or along the same lines as Israel He is using some of the battles and wars to show how the Washington among others believed in divine guidance, Divine help and Divine protection. Really need to watch the interview or at least read the book to make relative decisions dismissing or accepting authors premise, plus maybe some research to prove or disprove the veracity of what the author is stating as history. To cavalierly dismiss something as a load of waffles, well kinda like a talking point no thought required..

Ever heard that America is not found in the Bible: this author has written a Book called "The Covenant" and he thinks he has found that America is mentioned in the Old Testament and that the founding fathers ( Washington and others) believed that America was the New Israel. Here's the interview, seems interesting. http://web.gbtv.com/...pic_id=24584158

First off, I am not a cop hater. I posted the video because I can't stand it when People in authority abuse their position of Trust. In this particular case the criminal had already gave up as evidenced by him laying flat on the ground with his hands on the back of his head. There was no need for the physical punishment that was dished out to him. Please explain where it says that Police Officers have a right to beat up a suspect who is not resisting . I don't remember seeing that regulation anywhere. Do you really want them to decide to administer street justice as they see fit, I don't. We have already seen a Homeless schizophrenic man get beat to death in CA ( Kelly Thomas). This stuff can go to far to quick and people get hurt... We have to rely on LE to be professional, so that our interactions with them will be safe and secure for both sides. When Officers are abusive whether physically or verbally, they are denigrating all other officers as well as the public. Yes, the job is hard and dangerous, but no one makes anyone become a Officer. They are their to Protect and Serve and most officers do a very good job and get little thanks for it, but surely they knew that before they joined the force. It is truly a thankless job but Wyatt Earp syndrome needs to be controlled and not allowed this ain't the old wild west...

I was listening to Micheal Berry on the radio and he was doing a the show about this PO beating in Houston. I hadn't seen the video until this morning. It seems It doesn't match with what Berry was saying on the radio. Skip to the 50 second mark that's where the takedown occurs Take a look [media=] [/media]

That's not the same thing by any means.....

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Check with Bladetech they can make one for you that's where I got mine..

You beat me to it LOL

From LA NOW " The case has been particularly emotional for Ron Thomas, who has been forced to watch the video of his son's beating and listen to the heartbreaking pleas. At one point, Kelly Thomas cries out, "Dad, they are killing me!" In an earlier interview, Ron Thomas said the hardest part of the video and audio "is the sounds of my son calling out." Rackauckas presented the case himself, playing a dramatic, never-before-seen video that showed a shirtless Thomas being pummeled and held down by Fullerton police officers. Rackauckas said Ramos "turned a routine encounter into a brutal beating death" while Cicinelli "assisted in the killing of Kelly Thomas" by "smashing his face" with the butt of a Taser stun gun and applying his own weight on Thomas' torso. A coroner's pathologist said Thomas died of chest compression and blood from his facial wounds."

"They are likely going to plea and get a reduced sentence. The DA is going to accept the plea to keep their conviction rates high for their next election. I hate plea agreements that reduce sentences and pleas should not count towards a conviction rate of a DA's office." I hope you are wrong on this, but I suspect you will be proven right.. There has been an uproar in Fullerton, CA about this case so perhaps the DA will be more afraid of the backlash if he plea deals it down to a lesser offense. It is up to the People to to demand justice and perhaps make an example out of this case that abusive, excessive force will not be tolerated.... for any reason...

Kelly Thomas was schizophrenic. If you want to know what being a schizonphrenic is like , due this experiment. Try to tell a story to a person in a cogent logical manner while having a third and fourth person standing on each side of you, shouting in you ear about anything.. it's very hard to concentrate. That's what it is like which also makes it hard to follow and understand directions.

Besides the excessive force and loss of life which should of never happen, the more ominious part of this story is that a as a citizen we expect a certain amount of safety, security and professionalism when we interact with Law enforcement. If we begin to question our safetyand scurity alonf with their professionalism when stopped or questioned by a Law Enforcement Officer, then the system breaks down which could lead to more problems.

“Collateral damage.†How the DEA defines your business, your freedom, and your life. May 8, 2012 11:18 pm - Author: Eric In a story that would be touching in the ordinary context, an 88 year old man and his 85 year old girlfriend built a portable water purification business from a dream to a reality. Nothing wrong there; such things are supposed to be part of the American Dream. But now, their business is being ruined by one of the most unaccountable and tyrannical bureaucracies in the history of government, the DEA: 88-year-old Bob Wallace, and his 85-year-old girlfriend, Marjorie Ottenberg fell in love 35 years ago backpacking to the tops of the highest peaks in the world. Wallace is a Stanford educated engineer and Ottenberg is a former chemist and decades ago they came up with a water purification product for backpackers like themselves called Polar Pure out of their garage in Saratoga, Calif. “For an old guy with nothing else to do, this is something that keeps us occupied,†says Wallace. Today, Wallace and Ottenberg are fighting the Drug Enforcement Administration and state officials to continue to operate their business. Why? The DEA says that drug dealers are using their product to make methamphetamine. The DEA says meth heads are interested in Polar Pure’s key ingredient, iodine crystals. Too lazy to go after the meth heads, they have to go after perfectly legitimate business, destroying the dream of two honest elderly Americans. You don’t have to be opposed to the Drug War to be opposed to such tyranny. Wallace and Ottenberg’s business will of course be ruined, because they cannot possibly comply with the laws demands that they pay huge regulatory fees, plus “register with the state and feds, report any suspicious activity and keep track of each and ever person who bought a bottle of their product.†Nor can their customers, which included camping stores and online outlets that stocked their product. They are being wiped out, and the DEA dismissively calls this “collateral damageâ€: Instead of dealing with the new regulations they just dropped the product, effectively killing Wallace and Ottenberg’s business. “Any time you deal with a government it’s a hassle,†says Ottenberg. A spokeswoman for the DEA told the San Jose Mercury News that Wallace was “collateral damage.†I suppose I could ask just what provision of the Constitution gives the DEA the power to shut down dealers in iodine. After all, I ask these questions all the time. To no avail. We are no longer governed, but we are ruled. This government is monstrous. It no longer resembles what the founders envisioned, and very few people care. Those who do are ridiculed as cranks. OK, so I’m a crank. I admit it. But that does not make me wrong. The DEA is operating outside of constitutional parameters so routinely that it has become a law unto itself. And I don’t just mean asserting the power to regulate anything it wants. One of the hallmarks of tyranny is the detention of citizens without a hearing. And more. Representative Duncan Hunter (R-Calif.) sent a letter to DEA Administrator Michele Leonhart asking the agency to comply with an inquiry into the circumstances surrounding the detention of 23-year-old Daniel Chong. The UC San Diego engineering student was arrested during a drug raid, interrogated for four hours, then locked in a holding cell and left there for five days without food, water, or access to a toilet. During those five days, Chong was forced to drink his own urine. Fearing that he would die in the cell, he broke the lens of his glasses and attempted to carve a message to his mother on his arm using a shard. Chong then tried to commit suicide by swallowing the broken pieces of his eye glasses. He was discovered unconscious and covered in feces, and admitted to a San Diego hospital suffering from dehydration, kidney failure, and a punctured esophagus. Got that? The DEA held a suspect for five days and nearly tortured him to death. This is the United States? And how about the severely injured woman who, after surgery for a shattered knee cap, went to the drug store to fill a perfectly legitimate pain killer prescription, and found herself hauled away: The pharmacy called Lenhart to ask her exactly what time she would be in pick up her prescription. She thought it was odd, but told the pharmacy what time she would be there. Still on crutches and unable to drive, a friend of Lenhart’s, drove her to a CVS Pharmacy in Oak Cliff. She wasn’t able to pick up her prescription because a police officer arrived to pick her up. “He was like ‘we need to go outside,’†she said. “I was on crutches and I had a permanent IV line in my arm. I had a big leg brace. I asked him if it was necessary and he said yes and he rather policingly escorted me out the front door and into the back of a waiting patrol car.†Never mind that it was another bureaucratic mistake. This severely injured woman spent the night in jail. After she was finally released on bond, she was charged with a felony. The DEA, of course, is behind this racket too. They have unconstitutionally delegated to themselves authority to regulate every prescription for every controlled substance sold in every pharmacy in the United States, and as Radley Balko explains in his analysis of the case, pharmacists and doctors live in terror of them: These idiots couldn’t even bother to call the woman’s doctor before tossing her in a jail cell. Lenhart’s story has been making its way around the web the past few days, and has been generating the appropriate outrage. But it shouldn’t be all that surprising. This is the perfectly predictable outcome of all this painkiller hysteria of late. It’s bad enough coming from the usual drug warriors. But because there’s a big evil pharmaceutical corporation to play the villain, we now get progressive outlets like ProPublica, and Alternet and Salon spitting out the government’s hype without the least bit of skepticism—or concern for pain patients. You can’t really blame the pharmacist, here. She risks arrest and criminal prosecution if some overeager prosecutor looking to make a name for himself decides she hasn’t been sufficiently suspicious of her customers. Think about that. The government will now throw you in jail for failing to be suspicious enough of your fellow citizens. (And not just with painkillers — remember this monstrous injustice?) Don’t blame her employer, either. The DEA recently shut down two CVS stores in Florida because federal drug cops thought the stores should have been turning away more people who came to fill pain medication prescriptions. Not only that, the agencies also attempted to shut down the wholesaler who supplies those stores for not being sufficiently suspicious of them, a move that would have left thousands of patients in several states without access to the medication they need. The government has created a poisonous, paranoid atmosphere in which every player in the painkiller process from manufacturer to patient has been deputized to police every other player, to the point where anyone who doesn’t continually question the motives and actions of everyone else risks losing his livelihood, or even his freedom. Yes, and that includes 88 year old water purifiers. Collateral damage? How far does it go?

The 2 PO's are ordered to stand trial. Maybe there will eventually be justice!

Published: May 9, 2012 Updated: 12:49 p.m. Legal experts: Kelly Thomas video doesn't tell whole story Slideshow: The death of Kelly Thomas in photos Complete coverage of the death of Kelly Thomas SLIDE SHOW: Legal experts: Kelly Thomas video doesn't tell whole story 7 Photos » VIDEO: Shocking Kelly Thomas Confrontation surveillance video (8 min.) By GREG HARDESTY / THE ORANGE COUNTY REGISTER SANTA ANA – The grainy video is difficult to watch – and, say most who've seen it, even more difficult to listen to. As the public continues to digest the disturbing 33-minute clip of Kelly Thomas' fatal confrontation with Fullerton police last summer, legal experts caution that the footage doesn't tell the entire story, and that the culpability of two officers charged in the transient's death is something that will need to be decided by a jury. A security camera captured much of the altercation between Fullerton police officers and Kelly Thomas at the Fullerton bus depot. It was shown at the preliminary hearing in Santa Ana Monday. JOSHUA SUDOCK, THE ORANGE COUNTY REGISTER MORE PHOTOS » The harrowing footage from July 5, 2011 includes Thomas, a 37-year-old schizophrenic, repeatedly apologizing to police as they try to subdue him, yelling at them that he can't breathe, and wailing for his father to help him. Click here to watch the 8 minute edited version of the Kelly Thomas confrontation video. But whether the black-and-white video helps support a charge of second-degree murder against Officer Manuel Anthony Ramos is not as evident as the solid visceral punch delivered by the video, interviews with law professors and current and former defense attorneys suggest. "This is going to be a tough case," said Laurie Levenson, a professor at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles. "I don't think it's contradictory to charge one officer with murder and one with involuntary manslaughter....the attitudes of the officers – what they said before and after the incident -- are also important. "The difference between murder vs. manslaughter is intent, and the question here is whether the officers realized the risk of their behavior. I think that will be the hardest thing to prove: Did the officers realize the seriousness of the risk involved?" Evidence in the high-profile, emotionally charged case was tested at a preliminary hearing in Santa Ana this week. The hearing ended Wednesday after three days of testimony that included the release Monday of the explosive video --- the centerpiece of District Attorney Tony Rackauckas' case against the two officers. Among the indelible images on the surveillance video are Ramos slowly swinging his baton as he approaches a sitting Thomas in the first frames, and the glistening pool of blood seen on the pavement near the end of the footage after paramedics whisk Thomas away. In addition to the murder charge, Ramos, 38, has been charged with involuntary manslaughter. Cpl. Jay Patrick Cicinelli has been charged with involuntary manslaughter and excessive force under color of authority. Levenson and other legal experts noted that the video doesn't capture the entire confrontation, and they said that although the footage shows Thomas getting struck by a baton and, later, stunned and then hit repeatedly in the face with a plastic gun by Cicinelli, the footage doesn't contain much visual evidence of a "classic beating." Thomas died five days after the confrontation when his family took him off life support. The cause of death, according to a pathologist who testified Tuesday, was a lack of oxygen caused by having his chest compressed, as well as blood in his lungs from facial fractures and other injuries. Another law professor said officers appear in the video to show a "consistent disregard" for Thomas as he complains about not being able to breathe while they continue to subdue him in a "dog pile-like" fashion. "He (Thomas) was fearing for his life," said Robert Pugsley, a professor at Southwestern Law School in Los Angeles. Pugsley questioned, however, whether prosecutors can make the second-degree murder charge against Ramos stick. Rackauckas alleges that Ramos initiated the encounter. "I see it more likely that he (Ramos) might be found guilty of involuntary manslaughter," Pugsley said. A murder conviction against Ramos, who is free on $1 million bail, would make him eligible for a possible prison sentence of 15 years to life. Cicinelli, who is free on $25,000 bail, faces four years in prison if convicted. Prosecutors are pursing the murder charge against Ramos under the theory that Thomas died as a result of an intentional act, that his death resulted as a natural consequence of an act that was dangerous to human life, and that Ramos deliberately acted with a conscious disregard of human life. To secure a second-degree murder conviction, Rackauckas doesn't need to prove that Ramos intended to kill Thomas, but rather that his life-threatening acts were intentional --- much like a reckless driver who ends up killing someone after deciding to speed in and out of traffic, Pugsley said. Based only on evidence seen in the video, Pugsley said that a second-degree murder charge is perfectly appropriate, but it may be easier to convince a jury that Ramos and Cicinelli should have known, but didn't know, that their actions created a substantial risk of death – the bar that needs to be met for an involuntary manslaughter conviction. Legal experts who viewed the video raised the issue of the officers using their weight on Thomas to subdue him. Since the primary cause of death was suffocation, a legal argument could be made, they said, that any officer found to have put their weight on Thomas in such a way as to limit his breathing could be prosecuted for second-degree murder under the theory that the officer consciously showed disregard for a life-threatening act. They said that an argument can be made that potentially lethal force was applied, that the officers knew it was potentially lethal, and that they kept applying it anyway. What's clear from the video is that what began as a routine police interrogation escalated, raising the key question of whether force used by the officers was justified, legal experts said. "At one point, he clearly just lost his cool," Levenson said of Ramos. "It's going to be really important what preceded the video, and what he (Ramos) did afterward." Said Pugsley: "(Rackauckas) will try to paint a picture of a hapless, helpless homeless man who in his own way was trying to cooperate with the very particular orders of the officers, but who either wouldn't or couldn't comply. "It appears to be that the officers weren't handling this situation in a cool fashion. They were pugnacious about it." About 25 minutes into the video, Sgt. Kevin Craig asks Kelly Thomas a question. "Hey," he says to Thomas, who is collapsed beside a pool of blood. "What's your name? What is your name?" Sirens blare in the background. "Hey what's your name?" Craig says again. "Hey what is your name?" Thomas doesn't respond. Soon, he's on his way to UCI Medical Center, where five days later he dies and, soon after that, the name Kelly Thomas is everywhere. Register Staff Writers Larry Welborn and Lou Ponsi contributed to this story. Contact the writer: 714-704-3764 or ghardesty@ocregister.com

Got Scratches Tended To By Paramedic As Kelly Thomas Lay Dying in the Street Posted by Joe Sipowicz in Behind Closed Doors, Chronic Failure, Dick Jones, Don Bankhead, Pat McPension, Something Wicked This Way Comes, The Crime Beat, The Culture of Corruption, The Fullerton Recall, Union Goons on May 7, 2012 One of the most shocking things to emerge from the Preliminary Trial of Manny Ramos and Jay Cicinelli for the killing of Kelly Thomas are the statements made by Fullerton Fire Department personnel that the cops received attention to their miscellaneous scrapes as Thomas, whose face had just been bashed in, and who was suffocating in his own blood, lay ignored nearby. For pure callousness, incomprehensible inhumanity, and well, evil, it’s pretty hard to beat this story. The images of minor scratches sustained by the Fullerton cops is comical, especially given the fact that were sustained committing a crime; juxtaposed to the image of Kelly Thomas’s shattered face they present ample evidence about the nature of the beat down delivered to the homeless man. Manny's badge of honor awaits a band aid. Hilariously, Manny Ramos was quoted as saying he’d been in “the fight of my life.†Given that he was seventy pounds overweight, notoriously lazy and obviously a coward, this may actually be a true statement. Certainly it will provide a good headline for Lou Ponsi. But Ramos’ injury received a bandaid and off he went. Kelly Thomas is dead. He was dying on the pavement, alone and unattended, as the cops that killed him got first aid. And that is truly sickening.

I do to but this is disgusting and such an excessive use of force.. I don't see how this beating is justified in any manner.......

Kelly Thomas' Cause Of Death Revealed During Testimony By AMY TAXIN 05/08/12 07:27 PM ET Get Los Angeles Alerts: Video, Justice For Kelly Thomas, Justice For Kelly Thomas, Kelly Thomas Cause Of Death, Kelly Thomas Coroner, Kelly Thomas Dead, Kelly Thomas Fullerton, Kelly Thomas Trial, Los Angeles News SANTA ANA, Calif. — A trauma surgeon said Tuesday that continuous compression of a California homeless man's chest during a confrontation with police officers caused breathing problems that led to his death. The testimony by Dr. Michael Lekawa came during a hearing in response to intense questioning by attorneys for two Fullerton police officers charged with killing 37-year-old Kelly Thomas during an investigation of a reported car burglary at a transit hub last July. Lekawa noted that surveillance video and audio recordings of the incident showed that Thomas' voice changed from initial shouts of "I can't breathe" to long, drawn-out moans before he stopped talking altogether. Lekawa, chief of trauma surgery at University of California, Irvine Medical Center – where Thomas was taken after the confrontation – said he believes the incident caused Thomas' respiratory problems, which deprived his brain of oxygen. "The ongoing compression of his chest ultimately led him to have a respiratory arrest," Lekawa said during the hearing to determine whether sufficient evidence exists for the officers to stand trial. Prosecutors contend that Officer Manuel Ramos punched Thomas in the ribs, tackled him and lay on him to pin him down. They say Cpl. Jay Cicinelli used a Taser four times on Thomas as he screamed in pain and also hit him in the face eight times with the Taser. Thomas lost consciousness and was taken to a hospital. He was taken off life support and died five days later. Ramos, a 10-year-veteran of the Fullerton Police Department, is charged with second-degree murder and involuntary manslaughter. Cicinelli, who has worked in Fullerton since 1999, is charged with involuntary manslaughter and excessive force. Both have pleaded not guilty. The officers' attorneys grilled Lekawa over whether sufficient compression took place during the confrontation to cause respiratory arrest and whether cardiac arrest – triggered by extreme exertion – might have deprived Thomas' brain of oxygen. Defense attorney Michael Schwartz, who represents Cicinelli, also asked whether performing CPR – as medics did when Thomas' heart rate stopped that night – for a long period of time might cause the problems that led to Thomas' death. Lekawa said he supposed CPR compressions could lead to some of the conditions. But earlier he testified that he believed Thomas' problems began earlier, when the video showed he was no longer responsive. The questioning came in the second day of the hearing in a Santa Ana courtroom and was marked by a repeated showing of clips of the grainy surveillance video of the confrontation, which was paired with audio from digital recorders worn by some of the officers who were present. The video, screened in public for the first time, shows Ramos and another officer swing their batons at a shirtless Thomas and pin him to the ground as he pleads with them to stop. It later shows Thomas being hit repeatedly with a Taser while he screamed. "We ran out of options so I got the end of my Taser and I probably ... I just start smashing his face to hell," Cicinelli commented to fellow officers on the 33-minute surveillance tape, according to a transcript provided by prosecutors because parts of the recording were muffled. "He was on something. Cause the three of us couldn't even control him." Prosecutors say the July 5 beating began after two officers responded to reports that a homeless person was looking in cars and rattling door handles at the Fullerton transit hub, where numerous buses come and go and commuters park their cars. Six Fullerton officers were involved in the conflict but only two were criminally charged. Thomas' father Ron Thomas said the video shows there was no struggle while his son was on the ground being kneed by officers who huddled over him. He also voiced frustration that defense attorneys were challenging the medics in what he said was an effort to deflect responsibility from the officers. The incident led to an ongoing FBI investigation to determine if Thomas' civil rights were violated, an internal probe by the city, protests by residents and an effort to recall three Fullerton councilmembers that is slated for next month's ballot.

This brand new video of Fullerton PO's beating to death a homeless schizoprenic man in fullerton Ca. The beating starts at 15:20 mark, but before you can see the PO threatening Thomas with his fists and that thomas is having a hard time following po's orders. Listen as he cries for help and continuously sayes he can't breath. Watch the whole thing if you have time...

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