Jamie Jackson

Excellent AAR Randy.   Proud of you brother! 115 is an incredible accomplishment.   There's a lot of folks within the training community that wouldn't even step up and give it a go.  So... :up:

I totally agree Greg. And greatly appreciate Campbell responding so quickly.   Man...I don't know who Mike Daly is but I wouldn't won't to be in his shoes right now. :ugh:   Still...it good to have options these days. I know this shortage has certainly expanded my powder reserve. LOL

"The reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated" wrote Mark Twain....seems likely the above was as well.   +1 to Dave Campbell and Hodgdon for a timely response.     "I have heard nothing that would make me believe we are on the verge of losing W231/HP-38, but I do think that availability will continue to be an issue. I can assure you W231/ HP-38 will continue to be in the Hodgdon / Winchester product lines.   Mike Daly was mistaken."   Dave Campbell Customer Service Representative Hodgdon Powder Company 6430 Vista Drive Shawnee, KS 66218 913-362-9455 Ext. 117

I like AA#2 as well musicman and will have to try some AA#5 when I run across some. Thank you.   Options are a good thing. :pleased:

Are you going to be prone to vehicle search?   Did your new HR make mention of firearms in POV's?

    I finally made it over to Prone Shooter. Very nice folks as Major mentioned. :up:   I picked up 5 pounds of powder, 3 different types, that I had been looking for...for some time now actually. Very good prices. They have a decent selection of powders, good selection of primers, and a decent selection of ammo.   I even got to handle a Glock 43. I still haven't fired one yet...but all in time.   I think it's great having good folks like this running such a nice place so close at hand....but you gotta do some recon to find them the first time LOL.

+1 Patton.  My Safariland speed strips are well over a decade old and still running great. Still affordable as well. No complaints here.

I like it here too. Enlightening isn't it?  :pleased:

Welcome aboard Viking.   It is an unnerving book isn't it? Very plausible.   In case you are interested, there is a thread on SHTF books in this sub-forum. "Day of Wrath" is discussed around page 14 of it. There's quite a few good suggestions for reading material along this line.   Again, Glad to have you here.       http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/topic/58536-good-shtf-survival-fiction-books/

  Opening the discussion for alternatives was actually one of my motivations for posting this thread...guess I should've mentioned that... :squint: ....sorry...     Trekbike, I've been using AA#2, especially for wadcutters with good results. It's also working well for 130 gr cast powder coated bullets we make.   I too use W231 for 158 gr .38's, as well as Unique.   From what I read...again, it's the interweb... but it sounds like flake powders won't be affected. I hope that's true anyway because I am down right addicted to Unique.     Anybody using Titegroup or the newer powder Clean Shot for .38's?

Anyone else reading this?   I first ran across it on Brian Enos forums. Then searched it and found it on several different forums.   But...alas..it is the interwebs...so a grain of salt is always advisable...   I did e-mail Hodgdon customer service about it and await their reply...       What I read:   "Winchester 231 certainly has been hard to get. The plant that makes Winchester powders does not want to make 231 as well as a few other powders. These older technology powders have different chemistry than the new powders and this older chemistry makes it much slower to make powder: basically, you can make about 2.5 times as many pounds of new chemistry powder in the time it takes to make 1 pound of old chemistry powder. During the process of making the old powders, the waste stream created is huge compared to the waste stream of the new chemistry powders. Chemical waste is very expensive to get rid of. So, the plant wants to phase out the old chemistry powders and replace them with new chemistry powders. While they are still making 231, the amount is being reduced and the amount of new powder such as Titegroup and Longshot is being increased. Now, we are kind of stuck in the middle. The market is demanding 231 but the maker is not wanting to produce the powder. The result is, over time, 231 is going to go away. Shooters should begin using other powders as they can."     W231/HP 38 is not my all time favorite powder...but it has been my go-to powder for 45 acp for a long, long time. These days I primarily shoot 9mm.   So, I'm just checking to see if anyone else is hearing/reading this.

  Yes it was Cirillo. Unfortunately he died in an auto accident in 2007 iirc. What a loss to the firearms and self defense community. And then Gomez in 2012...a huge loss...Great guy and one of the most firearm/self defense knowledgeable people I've known.   I can certainly appreciate what you are saying, and we all have to live by our decisions in life...but I carry my own version of the Safe Stop loads (I knew Fuzzy) and I'm comfortable with it. I know others caution against it, for the very reasons you mentioned...and that's sound advice... But I'm good with my choice...I would never recommend another do so, just mentioning it's an option...

Do you handload Moped?   Jim Cirillo recommended non-plus P wadcutters with a sharp ogive for snubby use. He collaborated with Fuzzy Fletcher to produce them under the brand of "Safe Stop" ammo for awhile.  Those were 148 gr plated bullets at about 710-720 fps...at least that's what I chronoed out of my J Frame.   Cirillo, in his book "Guns, Bullets, and Gunfights", said he preferred full wadcutters with that sharp ogive as they tended to "bite" into an object vs glancing off as many HP's did. He was discussing headshots and his experience with various rounds.   Expansion out of a snub nose revolver is iffy at best.And penetration is needed to reach the vitals. The GD's are probably the best of the HP designs currently available, but I've seen a number of .38 HP's not expand and penetrate just like their FMJ/RN counterparts. But I've seen that with 9mm, 40 S&W, and 45 acp too...it happens... The sharp ogive on a plated full WC should, hopefully, cut tissue vs pushing it aside as non-expanding HP and FMJ tend to do.   But face it...all handgun rounds are anemic. Reliability and good accurate rounds with fast followup shots are my personal preference...   I carry some of the Safe Stop rounds in my J Frame fwiw. I carry the 158 gr LSCW-HP in my speed strips and speed loaders because they are markedly faster and easier to use (rounded profile) that trying to reload quickly with full wadcutters.       link to some wadcutters below: http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/index.php/cName/38-special-wadcutter

There is some great info on this thread. The "Care and feeding" of the revolver, in particular the venerable snubbie, is a dying art. So, Well Done folks! :up:     I agree with Patton on the HKS speedloaders. I have some of each. I too have had the Safariland dump in my pocket and also find the "looseness" of the rounds in an HKS allow a more positive load under pressure.   Nice setup Moped! Love those Tyler T-grips! :pleased:   Good points graycrait, but sometimes a snubbie is the best mode of carry. In an NPE (Non-Permissive Environment) you can make a snubbie simply disappear...like in a properly worn bellyband holster(i.e. worn just below the belt line).   I think the Nemesis is a good holster as well...and at a good price. Mine is a Mika and it's going on 15 years+ now. Runs quite well out of my Carhartt blue jeans.   http://www.frontiernet.net/~akim/   I recently read this book on snubbies. Not a bad read and has some good info in case anyone is interested. "The Snubby Revolver: The ECQ, Backup, and Concealed Carry Standard" by ED Lovette.   http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1581605714?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00   Some great info was imparted at a "Snub Conference" back in 2005. A good bit of it has been uploaded to Youtube. Paul Gomez, Craig Douglas, Jim Cirillo, and Claude Werner were some of the folks involved. I unfortunately had to miss it, so I am thankful the info was uploaded.   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0EanvOh-5o

I rarely carry my J Frame as a primary handgun...It's usually pocket carried as a second to my G 19. If I carry the J Frame as a primary it's usually in the appendix position and I'll have a couple of speed strips in my strong side pocket. I down load the strips by 1 as it gives me more grip surface and this seems less "fumble-prone" to me. TNWNGR makes some good points on a dump pouch. They are low profile and serve their purpose quite well. :2cents: [center][/center]

Greetings Sir.   I've had mine about 15 years and last "taught" CCW classes in LA in 2005. I pay and keep mine active just in case. It's helped in other venues as well... Jamie

  Good advice here already.   I know you mentioned he most likely would not be a recreational shooter. But if things are as you say, and I have no reason to doubt, he needs professional training, especially regarding situational awareness...and quite obviously a top of the line layered security system.   Definitely professional assessment and training...   :2cents:

Good info gun sane! Thank you for sharing it.   When I get around to getting some I'll duplicate your load and chrono it...then post back here.   I too like AA#2 for .38 spl, esp in WC format.

You'll be fine. I use mag sm pistol primers in 9mm when for certain ammo/loads...there is negligible difference in fps when I chrono them. I prefer them using Unique 9mm 124 gr fmj fwiw.   But heed Caster's warning and suggestion. Sage words! :hat:

Thanks Major! I wasn't aware of them...I obviously need to get out more often. :cool:

For literally decades now. Top rate company and quality gear.

Thank you gun sane. I'll check it out when work and life cuts me some slack. :pleased:   I wish we had that kind of availability and pricing around here musicman. It would be nice. Online sales are hit & miss, and frequently powder is starting to run (online vendors) at about $25.00/lb as stocks return.   I would love to purchase from Mr.David. Mr. David has a stellar reputation! I work every other weekend and somehow I seem to always manage to work the local gunshow weekends...I have no idea how that seems to work out that way! :squint:   I keep hoping Unique will show up again one day... all in time I reckon.

I just saw this powder listed on Powder Valley's website today. They only carry "Clean Shot" at this time...and very reasonably priced by today's standards. ($20.00/lb).   I've used AA#2 in .38 spl and 9mm. It's a decent powder. Same with W231.   ...gun sane...I see you are in Maryville. Which gun store has some in stock? I won't have the opportunity until the middle of next week...but if they have some in stock I'll run over and pick up a pound or two and give it a try. I agree...powder is relatively scarce. It's always nice to have options.

Man! I hate to miss this one, but prior family obligations and commitments require me to be out of state.   I have no doubt this will be an outstanding class and you honestly can't find affordable quality training like this elsewhere...just simply isn't possible.     You folks enjoy...take good notes for me GTG! :pleased:

:stunned:     Sometimes nature simply self-corrects it's mistakes. :cool: