Jamie Jackson

Welcome to TGO ! Sounds like you've a solid plan! Learning iron sights first is smart. All things mechanical can & will fail...eventually. Learning med skills is a necessity and I wish everyone thought that way. Again, welcome.

Gone! And to a great guy

As I was cleaning up and clearing out some gear I came across a 10 round Glock magazine I had for my G21 ( that's 45 acp for you non-Glock people out there reading this! ) ... before I blew it up. A double charge of W231 (5.7 grs x 2= BOOM!), just in case you ever wondered. Again, it's a 10 round mag but I'd be happy to give it to a member of our community if they could make use of it. If not local, I'd ask you pay the shipping...USPS Priority Mail as I very rarely go to the Post Office and much prefer to just "Click-n-Ship". Just PM me and then I'll post to this thread.

That link (Thanks @MP5_Rizzo!) has all the info on this I'd ever need. A gentleman by the name of Guy Neill (once worked for CCI per the thread...around 10 posts into it) offered a detailed explanation as to the "why" you shouldn't do it...obviously you "can" do it. But I wouldn't risk it. One blown handgun in my life was plenty enough. I handload pretty much all of the handgun ammo I shoot and I'll continue to use brass. And like @Raoul and @Grayfox54said, free brass is pretty much just laying on the ground these days. Several years ago Dolomite had a thread or two on improving accuracy and consistency of steel cased 7.62x39 iirc. I believe he mentioned the damage the steel cases could do to your dies. (Great thread btw) I have no idea what damage, if any, the aluminum cases may do...but the reloaded aluminum cases seem to fairly quickly corrode the barrels of some of the folks that were doing it according to the BE thread. I frequently go to the BE forum for suggestions and info when I'm developing a load. There's some helpful and knowledgeable folks there.

Your welcome my friend. I have quite a few with the "Restricted" stamp on them. When the '94 ban sunset I purchased a bunch through Botach for a ridiculously low price. They were in like new condition when I bought them. I hope we never see another "Restricted" period but the future may be somewhat of a challenge.

It's crazy isn't it? Since I posed this question I've been reading on some gun forums up in the NE. I've found several links to various state statutes allowing pre- Sept 1994 made Glock normal capacity mags. (MA for instance). We here in TN are currently Blessed and I hope we remain so.

Here's a pic of the floorplates on the mags I have. While obviously of evolving generations these are definitely "pre-ban" . I know 'cause I'm pre-ban too! And 'cause I had these waaaay back then.

Yep...I've even heard them referred to as "U" notch Glock Mags. I'll see if I can attach a photo from this article in the Small Arms Defense Journal: http://www.sadefensejournal.com/wp/?p=2730 Magazine floor plates are of two distinct types: early versions for the Non-Fully Metal Lined (NFML) magazines and later ones for the Fully Metal Lined (FML) magazines also known as ‘drop-free’ because their greater rigidity causes them to be less likely to stick in the magazine well than their predecessors. The four distinct early versions were originally smooth and then sequentially incorporated a Glock logo, insert button hole, and finally a part number ‘455.’ Later FML floor plates began with a different number ‘3602’ that was eventually omitted.

They are currently going for some pretty steep prices on Gunbroker Red. Pretty steep...

Thanks for the replies and advice folks. I'll tread cautiously. hipower. It's my understanding, and I trust I'll be corrected if I'm wrong... When Glock first introduced their handguns onto the world, a primary aim was towards the Military. Lore has it that the Austrian Military wanted a handgun magazine that would not accidentally drop out in the snow and be lost, therefore the original Glock magazines were what we here in the US refer to as "NDF" or Non-drop free also known as NFML or Non-fully metal lined. We here in the US clamored for a magazine that would in fact "Drop Free" and this led to the FML or Fully Metal Lined drop free magazines and the continuing evolution into the Glock magazines as we now know them. I could be totally wrong on this. But my first Glock magazine were these and/or like these. I actually cut the grips (1/2 quarter sized semi-circles on each side of the lower grip frame) of a few my own Glock to facilitate a quick snatch/grab to manually remove the magazines. I still find myself ripping the mags out when doing a hurried reload at times. Many years of repetitive practice I guess.

Disclaimer: This is not an for sale ad. I promise I would only sell through TGO but listing appropriately. I actually read the stickies! The above stated, I have a few Pre-Clinton era ban Glock 17 NDF (Non-Drop Free) 9mm magazines I ran across when cleaning my basement a few weeks ago. I've used them in range training and several classes over the years and they run great... just gotta "rip them out". No biggie... but as I have a "few" G-mags I thought I'd sell these, probably on Gunbroker. Do any of you have any first hand experience or knowledge as to restrictions when selling these online if the buyer is in another state? Any links to trusted information would be greatly appreciated. There's lots of interweb conjecture available... but I'm challenged at finding reliable factual info. I am a professed technotard! For some reason I actually trust you folks.

"There is no "I" in Team...but there's two I's in Idiot. Don't be one." My wife. She always been smarter than me.

They were an often unrecognized extremely talented band. Incredible musicians imho. I saw them in London in the mid-1970's. They hookwinked the audience by playing as their own opening act as a high-heeled glitter metal rock band ! Then took off the costumes on stage and kicked butt as only Dr Hook and The Medicine Show could do. RESPECT! RIP and Thanks Ray.

That is flippin' awesome!

I know you ! and I'm a better person for it. Welcome A.J. You've made my day brother.

Security theater Doc... Only the law abiding are affected. Sad, isn't it?

Just received e-mail confirmation that my rebates were approved and payment should be mailed out in about 4 weeks. I'm happy! At least I received some communication and quite honestly much sooner than I anticipated. iirc I sent my paperwork/photos in on 12/2/18 Be watching your e-mails folks.

This makes no sense Matt. But Lots of policies make no sense to me. One of my shooting buddies back in New Orleans was a sworn officer, SD and on their firggin Tac Team. He wasn't allowed to carry a Spyderco Delica into a concert he was taking his wife to... I just shook my head...

There is sound logic afoot here and I too shall take this pledge! Thank you Raoul for opening this door.

What a truly excellent post hipower! I agree 100% with everything you said and feel very blessed to be a part of this community. Merry Christmas to you all. I know many here will be working tomorrow, as will I, but my thoughts and prayers are there for all of you. I hope everyone else can enjoy the time and fellowship with those they choose. Jamie aka Prag

Well done GTG! I'm looking forward to seeing this new iteration. Sweet!

Welcome aboard!

I will verify that Mike is indeed alive and kicking...and very busy! Heck he was working last evening when I saw him. Great guy!

Any time that works for you my friend. Just let me know. It'd be good to hang out some and shoot the breeze as well.

I don't know the twist rate of your barrel my friend but I'll try and include a diagram that may help somewhat. Twist rates matter. My ancient 16" Bushmaster Dissipator (from the days before RDS) has a 1:9 twist and definitely favors 55 gr bullets. I get stupid good results with 55 gr handloads using H335 powder. I get reasonable and affordable accuracy from Wolf Gold 55 gr rounds. I'd be happy to give you a few boxes to try before you buy if you'd like AJ. I've run a metric buttload of Wolf, Tula, Barnul, etc through it in classes and training.... while the accuracy is satisfactory for practice those steel cased rounds are still quite mediocre.