Cruel Hand Luke

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The next meeting of the Tennessee/ Georgia / Alabama SUAREZ INT training group will be held on Sunday Feb 12 ! We will be covering pistol skills , shotgun skills and then we will shoot the FBI pistol qualification, the Air Marshal pistol qualification and the FBI shotgun qualification...and a few other surprise drills as well. Date: Sunday Feb 12 Time: 9:00 AM to 3:00 PMSubject: Qualifications and Standards....where do you stack up right now ?Price : $60 pay at class (cash or check)Equipment needed : Pistol and 3 magazines (or 3 speed loaders if you use a revolver) and 150 rounds of pistol ammo, 20 rounds of slugs, 10 rounds of Buckshot Location: The usual place- Phillips/Edwards Farm 763 County Rd 332 Pisgah Al 35765

Fight At Night : Defensive Concepts for Dark Environments Date: Saturday March 4 Time: 3PM - 11PM Location: The Ridge Dayton TN. (http://www.theridgeshooting.com/) Price $180 cash or check. ($80 Deposit to hold spot / balance due night of class). Instructor: Randy Harris This rarely offered class will cover some critical skills which include shooting with and without the help of flashlights in low or no light. We will work both proactively challenging unknown potential threats and reacting to unexpected close range attacks in low light settings. You will see just how much light you really need to accurately shoot by and how much light you actually need to ID targets. We will also cover manipulating the pistol in the dark both with and without a light in our hands. We will load , unload and clear malfunctions with and without flashlights. A fair amount of time will also be devoted to using the flashlight as a tool to help you get deselected in the "pre fight interview" , use the light as a distraction device and impact weapon, and as a bridge from less lethal to lethal force. Range Gear and requirements : Handheld flashlight (Surefire 6P, G2, Streamlight Scorpion or similar). Extra batteries. Pistol and holster designed to be worn on the belt. Two spare mags (3 total minimum) and a mag pouch. Range Safety gear (eye and ear protection) . Clothing appropriate for weather. Snacks and drinks. Ammo: Approximately 250 rounds. If you have a weapon mounted light for your pistol and want to use it for some drills then please bring it too. If your carry pistol has a light that is fine too just make sure it fits your holster. If you have a "blue gun" or airsoft gun and training knife you want to bring feel free to do so. We will be doing some interactive exercises where students will play the role of both good guys and bad guys to get a better feel for just what each experiences when the techniques are applied in low light. If you don't see it from both sides you only know about half of what is going on. A $80 deposit will hold a spot for you in this class. Balance due at class. We are limiting it to 16 students so you might want to get your deposit in soon. To register or for more info either PM me here at TGO or email me at Cruelhandluke2000@yahoo.com. Hope to see you there! Some Bio info and some of my training resume.....http://www.suarezinternationalstore.com/instructor-randy-harris.aspx

Anyone heard anything about whether ORSA is going to be hosting the 2017 IDPA state match? And if so what is the date?

Ahhh the dreaded " 1 shot stop list".... Considering that firing bursts (multiples of 2 to 4 ) and then assessing has become the norm now for many, you have to wonder just how many people would have stopped from 1 but could not physically fall down fast enough to keep from absorbing the other 2 or 3.... We pretty much know at this point in the game that about 1/2 of the people that get shot stop after 1 or 2 hits no matter where they are hit or what they are hit with. That is a psychological stop not a physiological stop. Most people just do not like being shot and want people to stop shooting them so they stop what they are doing....So ALL handgun calibers generally stop HALF of folks with 1 or 2 rounds..... The problem is that the other half of people DON'T stop with 1 or 2 shots . At that point the typical service cartridges 38sp, 9mm, 40SW, 45ACP,357 Mag , 357SIG, tend to require a lot fewer follow up shots than .22 , .25, and .32 and .380. The bad news is that there is no way to determine from one individual to the next HOW MANY it will take to stop any certain individual. So if we use a service caliber, and engage with multiple rounds as "plan A" then we tend to have fewer failures to stop.

ONE day to go! This one is coming up tomorrow! See you there!

JUST A FEW DAYS TO GO!

If the federal govt can say we CAN....... then they can say we can't. Would i like to be able to travel to some "occupied" states and see historically significant stuff like in Boston and Washington DC and still carry a gun? Absolutely. But moving CCW which is a state issue under the purview of the federal govt leaves open some very unsavory possibilities in the future. Now, if it is simply a matter of writing a bill that does NOTHING other than compel states to recognize all licenses (like drivers, marriage, etc...) issued by other states then it MIGHT be OK. But I have real concerns with the unintended consequences that might come to light when that door gets opened.

Cool! Do your dry work between now and then and I will expect you to do well in the "Tic Tac Toe Tournament to the Death" Remember guys this one is coming up in 10 days. That is 2 Saturdays from now. We will shoot several drills, and engage in some friendly (or not so friendly?) competition and we will have a drawing for some "Christmas Gifts" of books and other things of martial interest. So come on out for a fun day of shooting and camaraderie !!!

TN / GA / AL Training Group Christmas Extravaganza ! Subject: Shooting Shooting Shooting!!! All the drills we can fit in! On Saturday Dec 17 we will hold our Christmas meeting for the TN/GA/AL Regional Suarez Int Training Group! Instructor: Tier 1 Suarez Int Staff Instructor Randy HarrisLocation: The usual place- Phillips/Edwards Farm 763 County Rd 332 Pisgah AL 35765 Time: 9AM CENTRAL time - 3PM CENTRAL timePrice: $60 - pay at class cash or check. What you need to bring: Pistol, pistol magazines and at least 250 rounds of ammo. Revolvers are welcome if you want to party like it is 1899. We will shoot several challenging drills (like the challenging Military Match 221- Excellence in Competition, Air Marshal Qualification, FAST Drill, 2x2 drill, and MANY more ) and test our skills with the weapon we carry most...our pistol. This one will be structured a little different than normal. We usually spend the morning working technique and skills and then shoot in the afternoon. NOT this time. This will be a full day of shooting so we can get all the drills in! We will also be handing out some prizes! Looking forward to seeing you there!

Probably...but nationwide permitless carry happening is probably about as likely as the democratic party adopting a militant PRO 2nd amendment stance as a party platform....... After giving this some thought I may have a solution (though some will still hate it ). Adopt constitutional carry AND still have a permit, but an "enhanced" permit like Mississippi. That way EVERYONE can carry without a permit inside TN and if that is all they want to do - the bare minimum - then they can do that. But then also offer a permit that would cost money and require training that would then allow you to carry in places in TN that you presently cannot carry and allow you to carry in other states that offer reciprocity.

Honestly my biggest concern with constitutional carry is what effect it will have on reciprocity with other states now and what effect it would have later if nationwide reciprocity gets passed. I'd rather have to get a permit to carry here and be able to carry in other states than not have to get a permit to carry here but not be able to carry elsewhere. For those of us that travel a lot that is kind of a big deal.

That makes a great bumper sticker but there is a difference between what we might want that to mean and what it historically really meant. A well regulated militia (meaning disciplined and well equipped- with personally owned weapons) being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed. It speaks to the citizenry being armed and able to repel foreign invader, Indian raid, and ultimately, oppressive government. But it historically was not a carte blanche "everything goes" kind of permission. It is like the 1st amendment. There are limitations IF the states want to impose them. The 2nd is binding on the Federal govt. The states can (and do ) impose more restrictive laws with regard to being armed in public and always have. If you look at the actual history of pre AWI America (American War for Independence) there just simply was not a gun in every belt under every coat or even in every closet or over every fireplace. It took almost 2 days to turn out the whole militia during the events of April 19,1775 part of that is because not everyone had a gun. That is just reality. Now on the southern frontier there were far more guns in homes but not as many in the cities of Charleston or Norfolk or Savannah. And that is the reality of the world that Madison lived in when he wrote the document. Point is that while we may WANT it to have meant NO REGULATIONS of any kind that is just unfortunately not what the history really says. And occasionally (like US v Miller) the Supreme Court overreaches and gets it wrong. But that is a story for another time.....

17 years of being exposed to people who come to HCP classes, professional colleagues who have even more experience than that, experience with..."less than upright citizens" . A very small percentage of people actually carry...even among "gun people". The accepted ratio is about 10% of the people who have a permit carry on a regular basis. Do people carry without a permit? YES. But it is still less than 1 percent of the population. Just because I would like for people not to be numb skulls does not mean I'm anti liberty or want to ban guns or any other illogical crap. I simply think the more people that are aware of safe gun handling practices the safer we all are. How do we MAKE that happen? Don't know. Should the govt mandate it? In theory no. And even if it did you can't legislate all people being conscientious any more than you can legislate all people being moral or legislate all people using deoderant.... At least with the current HCP law in place those who choose to get a permit are a captive audience for some safe gunhandling and leagl education. Without it they are not. But then again.....is it a really big deal since less than 1 percent of the population is armed at any particular time? Who knows.

If they accidentally shoot themselves that solves problems in and of itself. We can hypothetical this to death and paint ourselves into corners. We can argue that since people are gonna rob banks anyway we shouldn't make bank robbery illegal....but that makes no sense either. Bottom line is I think it is better for society as a whole for people to be exposed to safe gunhandling and know what the law in their state is in regards to deadly force. Most people once exposed will try to not do stupid stuff. People who are not exposed to it simply will keep on not knowing what they don't know. If you don't know how to handle a gun but never carry it on the street it has no effect on anyone but those in your home. If you don't know how to handle a gun and you carry it out in public it potentially effects other people. How likely is there to be a negative outcome? Probably not very likely very regularly. But unfortunately negative outcomes with guns tend to be very serious to those that they happen to.

Yes. The "mandate" is a tough issue. There is theory and practice. In theory people should be able to not murder each other, steal from each other or rape each other ...unfortunately a small portion of society do those things on a regular basis. In theory all people would know how to safely handle a gun and be conscientious of the fact that doing something dumb might have effects on people 500 yards away....but unfortunately that is not always the case. So in practice, states have mandated that people get a permit and most states have mandated some form of training. Do I think that there will be "blood in the streets" with constitutional carry? No of course not. But I also don't think constitutional carry will suddenly make numb skulls stop being numb skulls either..... now they'll just be armed potentially with no one having ever exposed them to proper gun handling and when my family might potentially be down range from those people I am a little bit concerned. It is not that I think people should not carry. I think people who refuse to avail themselves of education in safe and proper gun handling should have the common decency to not carry and handle guns in public.

Nor am I....there never has been "blood in the streets" because so few people actually carry anyway.....when there is blood in the streets it is criminal on criminal "victimless" crime . I'm not a "save one child" thing either......if I were I'd try to get swimming pools banned. But if I know people are going to be armed I tend to feel more at ease around level headed people who know how to handle guns (and when to NOT handle them) than around people who don't .

And there is truth to this too....When we consider how many people actually carry it is a small fraction of the population. So we really are probably fretting over a tiny percentage of people who would carry that are not already getting a permit to carry. At the same time though I have seen enough people at public ranges and in HCP classes before they were exposed to proper gun handling etiquette that I'd feel more comfy knowing my family is potentially down range if those people had better gun handling habits.

So you're saying that "Joe and his Glock" should be able to carry without knowing anything about gun safety, marksmanship, legality or legal ramifications of a shooting ?

Yes and I don't at all buy the "since trained people occasionally hit bystanders then training is irrelevant" argument. In that vein then why require a drivers license if licensed drivers still have wrecks..... ?

If it does not apply to you then it does not apply to you..... But there are A LOT of people moving into Nashville from California who are bringing their voting patterns with them. As to Eddy Eagle I'm all for it. As a public service children should be taught gun safety in school just like they are taught to ride their bicycle with the flow of traffic and how to drive in drivers ed. And frankly on a personal level I'd rather people who are carrying loaded guns in public have at least a rudimentary knowledge of gun safety and the law. But you will find far more people here at TGO (or at least the far more vocal) who think you should be able to carry ...period. And they will claim any differing opinion is driven by either hate of freedom or of love of monetary gain if you are an HCP instructor. I assure you, I make far more money off more advanced classes than HCP classes and in fact I rarely even teach HCP classes any more so if the HCP went away I certainly would not be crying because of the loss of revenue. My own personal opinion is that on your own property you can be as educated or uneducated with regards to firearms (and everything else) as you want to be. In fact I think it should be like cars....you can buy ANY car (or gun) and drive it (or shoot or use it to defend yourself) on your own property without a license. But once you step out onto the public streets then you have a duty to be safe and conscientious since the whole world is now down range. But how to MAKE people be safer is the question...or should the govt even have the ability to mandate that ? Or at least how do we try to make sure they are exposed to the information if not through a mandated class? By law (as it is now) ? If not then how? That is the question. As far as the TN state constitution goes it clearly states the state has a right to regulate the wearing of arms and that has not been successfully challenged so as it stands they CAN require a permit to carry in public. My view of the upside to that is that since they DO require it then at least people who otherwise would NEVER avail themselves of learning anything about the law or even how to safely operate a gun are now "forced" to be exposed to it in order to get the permit. So while we can argue whether the permit requirement is good or bad I don't think anyone can make a reasonable argument about how people being less safe is better for them or society....

That is an interesting phenomenon......people grow tired of the yoke of oppressive government in liberal states and then move to more conservative states to enjoy the lower cost of living, more family friendly culture and more freedom....then they promptly get to the new state and start voting for the same kind of liberal candidates they voted for back in NJ, NY, CA, IL, MA, etc because that is who their families have always voted for and soon the new place starts to look just like the $hithole they left before.....

Has that changed? Didn't that used to you were immune from civil liability if the person you shot was committing a crime? Edited to add....I think I was thinking of TCA 29-34-201

What exactly are you saying here? He's proposing changing law so that if you aren't charged in a shooting incident, also can't be sued. - OS How would that differ from TCA 39-11-622 ?

And those that it does not affect in any way simply yawn and move on......