Cruel Hand Luke

OK I think we are having 2 separate discussions. I am talking about giving a limited statement if you SHOOT SOMEONE . I have said NOTHING about traffic stops or whether to let them search your car or whether to answer questions AT A TRAFFIC STOP. If you want to be adversarial at a traffic stop rock on. If you want to go all "Sovereign Citizen" on them at a road block then have fun. If you want to continuously ask "What crime are you suspecting I have committed? Am I free to go" over and over and over and over at a traffic stop then have a ball. I have been talking about something else entirely. If you want to assert your rights and make the officer's next 20 minutes the worst 20 minutes of his week by being completely (but respectfully ) non cooperative then go right ahead. If you KNOW your rights and assert them at a traffic stop and prefer to not be cooperative you are not going to be going to jail for suspicion of murder, manslaughter or at a minimum aggravated assault..... like you most likely will if you play "deaf and dumb" at the scene of a defensive shooting. I am trying to keep people from getting stuffed in the back of the patrol car and charged with MURDER because they took "guilty man's attorney " advice when you could just as easily have gone home that night by instead getting it on record that YOU are the VICTIM and that YOU were defending yourself. Absent that declaration from you, you look just like all the other murderers they arrest..... but hey whatever.... we are all adults and make our own informed (hopefully?) decisions.

Link is not working for me. Regardless...if you want to play "silent treatment" to the responding cops after you shot someone in legitimate self defense then good luck to you. You are going to make things a lot harder on yourself than they need to be. I know of people who have shot someone in self defense and not even been arrested. How? They asserted that they were the victim, gave a limited statement that was a narrative that matched the physical evidence and it was determined at the scene that they were more likely than not telling the truth. I actually have a student who shot and killed an armed robber and did not spend 1 minute in jail nor was he charged with anything. A big part of that is because he TOLD THEM WHAT HAPPENED at the scene. If he'd kept quite and said NOTHING then he'd have gone to jail while they looked at the evidence at the scene and figured out what happened. And keep in mind that you may spend SEVERAL days in jail before they even bring you in front of a magistrate for even a bond hearing. If it happens on Friday you are in for the weekend. And depending on WHERE it took place and how that particular judicial circuit runs it COULD take almost a month (YES a MONTH) to get a bond hearing. Suddenly "keep your mouth shut" doesn't sound like such good advice...unless what you DO have to say will get you convicted which is why attorneys who are used to only defending guilty people tell everyone to "say nothing". I'm NOT saying the cops are your friends. They are there to process information not to make sure justice is done. I'm saying if you don't assert that YOU ARE THE VICTIM (that limited statement I mention) then you are going to be viewed (and most likely charged) as the perpetrator.

The advice to say NOTHING is the advice that is given by attorneys who have a lot of experience defending guilty people. Ask Larry Hickey how that turned out for him. While he was invoking his right to remain silent evidence disappeared , was missed at the scene , and he was assumed to have been the aggressor when he was not. Fortunately for him after spending 71 days in jail and the better part of a couple of years in and out of court resulting in 2 hung juries the "victims" (the aggressors who outnumbered him ) who started the fight made a play for a payout from Larry's homeowners insurance and finally had to admit that the shooting took place ON LARRY'S PROPERTY and not in the street as they had claimed and testified to in court. If Larry had mentioned that at the scene then that would have been in the record to begin with and there's a good chance he would not have looked like the guilty party.....but by taking the "I ain't sayin' nothin' without my attorney" stance he got put in the suspect column instead of the victim column. Do what you want. If you are guilty of a crime then the best thing for you to do is DON'T SAY ANYTHING but if you have just legitimately defended yourself or others and you don't give at least a limited statement (limited statement and THEN be quiet) you are making a mistake. You need to make sure that exculpatory evidence and witnesses get put on the record. Also, 911 not only records everything but it STARTS recording as soon as the number is dialed. So keep that in mind as well.

On Saturday May 4 we will hold our May meeting for the TN/GA/AL Regional Suarez Int Training Group for 2019! Subject : May The Fourth (and your Blaster Rifle) Be With You !!! Instructor: Tier 1 Suarez Int Staff Instructor Randy Harris Location: The Ridge Shooting Range Dayton TN 11534 Rhea County Hwy, Hwy 27 Dayton, TN 37321 423-605-4242 http://www.theridgeshooting.com/ Time: 9AM EASTERN time - 3PM EASTERN time Price: $80 - pay at class cash or check. What you need to bring: Your Rifle, or Rifle Caliber Pistol or Pistol Caliber Carbine, at least 3 magazines and at least 200 rounds of ammo. Your Pistol and 30 Rounds of Pistol Ammo should be enough. Any ancillary gear to carry mags (chest rig, battle belt, belt mounted mag pouches, bag to carry mags, or just your pockets) Some of us have long desired a training day where we can do some RIFLE work out past 50 yards....Well we are doing just that on May 4 in Dayton TN at The Ridge. We will be rocking with rifles for a day and we can shoot out to a couple of hundred yards there..... We will be doing individual drills and then a "team competition" . This one is going to be a boat load of fun. Bill at the Ridge has graciously allowed us use of the rifle range and I'm going to pay it forward by keeping the price the same as usual ($80) and I'll cover the range fees out of my end as appreciation for you guys coming out to play. Some of you have been there before for classes but for those that have not it is EASILY found LITERALLY with a driveway right off of a major hwy with a classroom and all the modern amenities (like indoor plumbing) and many local places to eat....they even have a Mexican joint close by....(you knew I couldn't do training day anywhere without a Mexican joint close by).... So I hope to see you all out there and please tell your friends and acquaintances and even people you don't even know! MAY 4th in DAYTON TN !!

If you don't have any penalty for false reporting then this will simply be used as harassment of legal gun owners. Implement a $100 fee for filing the report that is refunded to the filer if the person is found to be a danger but a $1,000 penalty (or even better DOUBLE the accused person's legal fees) and a month in jail to the filer if the person is found to NOT be a danger. That will most likely limit false reporting. If there is no penalty for false filing then why not go ahead and file on the people who vote for the law right off the bat? If there is no penalty for it you might as well go ahead and show them what the rest of us will live in fear of having happen when someone looks to settle a grudge by doing this and saying you are a "danger"..... If THEY have to deal with the horrible unintended consequences of the law then they might realize that it is not a good law. Take a look at the ludicrous stuff that the Colorado "Red Flag" law allows and you'll see why IF this is going to happen it needs to be CAREFULLY crafted and require more than just a word from someone who "knows you" saying you are a danger and need your gun confiscated.

Just a reminder that June 1 is getting closer! 12 spots left as of today.

We complain about more pro 2A legislation not getting passed (and often for good reason what good is a pro gun majority if you don't pass any pro gun bills?) .....but keep in mind that it could be far worse. We could put the OTHER guys in charge and have to be constantly fighting to keep ANTI 2A from getting passed. So I'll take the underachieving pro gun majority over ANY kind of anti gun majority.... Having said that...the signage law needs to go away .....It only penalizes people who are likely to follow the law anyway. Of course they could make the poster of the property civilly liable if a violent crime happens and people are injured. If you don't let me carry my legally owned and carried gun in your establishment and your establishment gets shot up then I and everyone else should be able to sue you for disarming us and not providing protection. Pretty simple.

Two different discussions here.... 1. Close distance sims rounds hurt. I've done a fair amount of work in the 0-5 foot distance envelope with both airsoft and sims and have been shot with them at contact distance numerous times. It is not fun. But the object of the exercise was not to have fun it was to work on surviving close distance lethal force problems. Should the teachers have been shot with sims rounds ? I can make an argument for it and against it. 2. As to it causing them PTSD? You know part of the problem is that you have liberal teachers and school administrators who have never been in a fist fight trying to have a say in how to STOP KILLERS. "Conflict resolution" only works if there is a "conflict" that can be mediated....an active shooter is not there to negotiate or come to a settlement...he is there to kill. Victory for him is not getting a concession from the other side...it is stacking up corpses. So it might not be a bad idea for those teachers and administrators to be exposed (in a training environment where they will not be actually killed for real) to this level of violence so they will get their minds right as what REALLY will limit body counts in a school shooting event. Capitulation and negotiation and "feeling the misunderstood youth's pain" is not going to stop someone whose goal is to stack up corpses. Only an overwhelming application of lawful moral lethal violence will.

Elections have consequences........ The days of "they really aren't going to try to ban that" are over.....too many socialist/communist/ statists have been elected to office in that party to the point that now in 2019 Nancy Pelosi (the historic left wing standard bearer) seems more like a moderate democrat (or liberal republican) than a liberal democrat now compared to how far left many in her party are rushing. They DO mean what they say... they ARE absolutely opposed to the 2A and they WILL ban everything they can the next time they control all 3 branches. I fear we have come to the proverbial end of the line. The gloves are off and they don't care who knows what they really think. At this point if you believe in the 2nd Amendment and support it then an entire political party's leadership has become militantly opposed to you and your way of life. Vote accordingly if that is important to you.

You CAN pay at class if you must but that’s not really the preferred method for this class. The preferred method is to pay through the Suarez site (link is in original post) . That way they will have you on the roster and I will have a certificate for you at class. If you absolutely need to pay at class we can do that it I will just have to do all the paperwork there and then have to send you a certificate the next week after they do the revised accounting.

TWO WEEKS to go on this one !

REMINDER ! This one is coming up in just over a WEEK!

REMOVE the penalty for carrying past signage ! Signs protect NO ONE. And an otherwise law abiding person should not be able to be prosecuted for committing the "crime" of refusing to be helpless.

NATIONAL......GUN .....REGISTRY....... And under NFA you won't be able to take your mag fed long guns out of state without first getting permission from ATF. Basically your semi AR will now have all the same restrictions as Machine Guns and Short Barrel Rifles and Short Barrel Shotguns. Those who give a damn about this need to call their Congressmen. For those invested in this enough to make a phone call the number for the Capital Switchboard is (202) 224- 3121. Ask to be connected to your congressman and tell the staffer that answers how you feel about this.

Amen. Make it a TRULY enhanced permit and make it so that it overrides signage , etc and they will have to hire extra people to process all the applications....

We are right at 1 month to go on this!

I HATE to reschedule this but the weather for this weekend is supposed to be awful and the footing at the venue is probably not going to be ideal for movement. So in the interest of comfort and safety we are moving this to MARCH 23rd !

You may be right... On the other hand the 1984 Olympics were held in Sarajevo Yugoslavia.... and 8 years later it was a country engulfed in civil war. No one in 1990 saw that coming either....

At some point a million armed citizens simply say "No".... I'm just not sure what that breaking point actually is.....We have seen it on this continent in the not too distant past but that was when every day life was not nearly as comfortable. But being used to the comfort thing though convinces people to accept what their ancestors probably would not accept....

This one is getting closer and closer. This class is an excellent place to start for the person who maybe has their permit and realizes that the permit class was not really training and wants to dip their toe in the "tactical training world" to be better prepared to deal with threats, but does not want a "SEAL Team 6 fantasy camp" experience. This class is geared toward dealing with the most likely realistic threats. This class covers not only HOW TO SHOOT WELL, but when to shoot, how to recognize an impending assault before it happens and how to hopefully avoid HAVING to shoot. But just because it is our "basic class" does not mean that more seasoned shooters don't get a lot out of it too. This class is a full presentation of FIGHTING with a pistol which is different from just "safely handling a pistol" . I combine real world civilian experience in interpersonal conflict, 20 years of experience in teaching people to shoot, fight and THINK combined with Master class shooting skills and a verifiable resume of continuing education and high level shooting performance. If you are looking for a class to put you on the path to mastery of the martial skills or simply to take a class that actually teaches you how to employ your pistol against the likely threats you would really face on the street this class is what you are looking for.

The question is whether it will make it easier to engage targets at distance? Absolutely. It gives you a much finer aiming point. What I consider easy shots at 25 yards with irons are easy shots at 50 with the dot and 75-100 is still doable if the target is big enough. As to the question of whether you can summon the skill to do it under fire? Absolutely NO ONE else can answer that but YOU in the moment it happens. And how you react initially has absolutely nothing to do with your equipment. Some people thrive and some crumple. It's either in you or it isn't and the sights have nothing to do with it. But consider this.....would you rather have some more effective or less effective equipment at hand in case you DO rise to the occasion (or more likely to your level of internalized training) ? The red dot gives some of us a legit 50 + yard straight up time after time effective distance. It does not make you a better shooter but it does make aiming the gun at distance simpler since the front sight is not covering up the whole guy... If you are interested.....

8? Out of 198? Whereas 240 out of 242 Dems voted FOR it? Wow... I can hardly tell the difference between the two parties.....

Harris Combative Strategies Defensive Concepts for Low Light Environments Date: Saturday June 1 Time: 6PM - 12AM Eastern Time Location: The Ridge Dayton TN. (http://www.theridgeshooting.com/) Price $150 cash or check. ($50 Deposit to hold spot / balance due at class). Instructor: Randy Harris Instructor Bio This class will cover some critical skills which include shooting with and without the help of flashlights in low or no light. We will work both proactively challenging unknown potential threats and also reacting to unexpected close range attacks in low light settings. You will see just how much light you really need to accurately shoot by and how much light you actually need to ID targets. We will also cover manipulating the pistol in the dark both with and without a light in our hands. We will load , unload and clear malfunctions with and without flashlights. A fair amount of time will also be devoted to using the flashlight as a tool to help you get deselected in the "pre fight interview" , use the light as a distraction device and impact weapon, and as a bridge from less lethal to lethal force. Range Gear and requirements : Handheld flashlight (Surefire 6P, G2, Streamlight Scorpion or similar). Extra batteries. Pistol and holster designed to be worn on the belt. Two spare mags (3 total minimum) and a mag pouch. Range Safety gear (eye and ear protection) . Clothing appropriate for weather. Snacks and drinks. You are welcome to bring something to eat for dinner. There are also several close fast food places like Taco Bell or Subway to grab something if you chose to do that during our dinner break. Ammo: Approximately 250 rounds. If you have a weapon mounted light for your pistol and want to use it for some drills then please bring it too. If your carry pistol has a light that is fine too just make sure it fits your holster. If you have a "blue gun" or airsoft gun and training knife or inert "trainer" pepper spray you want to bring feel free to do so. We will be doing some interactive exercises where students will play the role of both good guys and bad guys to get a better feel for just what each experiences when the techniques are applied in low light. If you don't see it from both sides you only know about half of what is going on.  A $50 deposit will hold a spot for you in this class. Balance due at class. You are also welcome to pay in full in advance too. We are limiting it to 16 students. To register or for more info either PM me here at TGO or email me at Cruelhandluke2000@yahoo.com.

Suarez International CRG-4: FORCE ON FORCE GUNFIGHTING June 8-9, 2019 Chattanooga, TN Instructor: Randy Harris Instructor Bio Price $400 Discount available when taken with Defensive Knife Ever wonder what you'd do if a psycho with a knife charged at you? Or how you'd really handle a multiple adversary situation? FIND OUT FOR CERTAIN IN OUR INTERACTIVE GUNFIGHTING TRAINING!! Force on Force is the future of personal combat training. This course is Pure CQB Gunfighting Skills, and will connect what you do on the range with what you must do on the street to win a fight. Typical marksmanship-based gun training leaves many questions unanswered. There is a great deal that you still don't know about street combat if all you've done is shoot paper targets on a shooting range. Even the many "shoothouse" exercises at many gun schools are still woefully inadequate in preparing you for a street confrontation. But in this class, the training is pure street reality featuring high intensity, short duration combat at close range against live human beings with modern force on force technology. It is specifically designed for the private citizen and focuses on civilian street situations. Learn to defend against a single adversary bent on cutting you with a training knife, as well as against multiple adversaries suddenly drawing guns and firing at you. Learn what it takes to overcome home invaders, takeover robbers, hostage takers and active shooters! In today's environment, everyone has a need to know. The training is open to ALL civilian students AT ANY SKILL LEVEL, and is the sort of class you can attend over and over again to maintain your edge!! Fight-focused NOT Gun-focused! CLASS AND RANGE DETAILS DURATION: 2 days TIME: 9:00AM to 5:00PM AMMUNITION: Approximately 600 (Minimum) good quality biodegradable pellets. NO STEEL PELLETS RANGE & GEAR REQUIREMENTS: You MUST have a gas-operated airsoft pistol for this class. Electric or spring-operated guns are not suitable. A paintball mask/helmet, hooded sweatshirt and gloves are necessary. NOTE: Bring an adequate supply of CO2, green gas or propane and silicon lubricant to charge up the pistols. An extra magazine is important in case there is a problem with the primary. Also Helpful Bring spare clothing appropriate for the weather, including a hat, sunscreen, and bug repellent. Plan to bring lunch, snacks, and water (min 1 gallon per person) for the entire day unless driving to lunch is a viable option from the range location. Bring allergy medication (if needed), a chair (if you prefer), note taking supplies, and a boo boo kit (band aids, gauze pads, antiseptic wipes, antibiotic ointment and tape). You may wish to bring pads such as knee pads, elbow pads, and gloves if the class lends itself to that. RANGE: Phillips/Edwards Farm 763 County Road 332 Pisgah, AL 35765 423-488-4309 Coming from Chattanooga * Take I-24 west from Chattanooga * Merge onto I-59 S via exit 167 on the left toward Birmingham * Take the GA-136 exit, exit 11, toward Trenton * Turn right onto GA-136 * Turn left to stay on GA-136 (crossing into Alabama) * GA-136 becomes AL-71 * Turn left to stay on Al-71 * Turn left onto AL-117 * Turn right onto CR-330 * Turn right onto CR-332 * End at 763 County Road 332, Pisgah, AL Range is located 40 minutes SW of Chattanooga and 20 minutes from Trenton Ga . It is located where TN, GA and AL all come together on the map. Range is located in Pisgah Alabama. Range is on CENTRAL time. For more info and to register for this class...https://suarezinternational.com/crg-4-force-on-force-gunfighting-june-8-9-2019-chattanooga-tn/?ctk=ad914282-8f05-4da2-b47c-7cc5385529ec

Suarez International Defensive Knife June 7, 2019 Chattanooga, TN Area Instructor: Randy Harris Price $200 Can also be combined with Force On Force June 8-9 for discount This course presents a compressed version of our two day Defensive Knife program. You will learn knife grips, angles of attack and defense, ballistic cutting and thrusting tactics, use of the live hand, footwork concepts, dynamic training drills and exercises to develop spontaneous and unplanned reactions. We will dispel the commonly held myths of the knife and leave you with a respect and a skill-set for this close range weapon that equals or surpasses your skill with the CCW pistol and allows you to begin integrating the knife and the gun. Bring a carry knife, and a dull trainer facsimile of it. CLASS AND RANGE DETAILS DURATION: 1 Day TIME: 9:00AM to 5:00PM CENTRAL TIME AMMUNITION: None RANGE & GEAR REQUIREMENTS: Your daily carry knife, a training knife similar to your carry knife (training knives are available at One Source Tactical), a modern CCW Pistol or Airsoft or red gun and eye protection. Also Helpful Bring spare clothing appropriate for the weather, including a hat, sunscreen, and bug repellent. Plan to bring lunch, snacks, and water (min 1 gallon per person) for the entire day unless driving to lunch is a viable option from the range location. Bring allergy medication (if needed), a chair (if you prefer), note taking supplies, and a boo boo kit (band aids, gauze pads, antiseptic wipes, antibiotic ointment and tape). You may wish to bring pads such as knee pads, elbow pads, and gloves if the class lends itself to that. RANGE: Phillips/Edwards Farm 763 County Road 332 Pisgah, AL 35765 423-488-4309 Coming from Chattanooga * Take I-24 west from Chattanooga * Merge onto I-59 S via exit 167 on the left toward Birmingham * Take the GA-136 exit, exit 11, toward Trenton * Turn right onto GA-136 * Turn left to stay on GA-136 (crossing into Alabama) * GA-136 becomes AL-71 * Turn left to stay on Al-71 * Turn left onto AL-117 * Turn right onto CR-330 * Turn right onto CR-332 * End at 763 County Road 332, Pisgah, AL Range is located 40 minutes SW of Chattanooga and 20 minutes from Trenton Ga . It is located where TN, GA and AL all come together on the map. Range is located in Pisgah Alabama. Range is on CENTRAL time. For more info and to register....https://suarezinternational.com/hits-8-defensive-knife-june-7-2019-chattanooga-tn/?ctk=80846368-37bc-4140-b907-8986c2269135