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True. But given the stories linked in post #5, perhaps a match could be made.

Yup. And I only live 3 miles from there. I just saved a bunch of money by not going. $7 anyhow.

What is a D-bag? Ignore that editing notice just below... yeah... this is what I meant to say... yeah...

I quit listening/watching him 2-1/2 years ago.

Fingerprints on light bulb? Criminals are not usually very bright (pun intended), so maybe he didn't wear gloves.

Sir, you have proven nothing to me or anyone else. I'm not exactly sure what you are saying at this point. It seems that, especially in the holster discussion a few pages ago, that under ideal circumstances of having specific types of holsters, not carrying concealed and having the burden of clothing in the way, that, yes, it is possible to win the upper hand. That is not being disputed. The original scenario presented stated the GG as OC'ing at that particular moment, so clothing restrictions were not an issue. My original statement regarding the original scenario was that "It's almost impossible to draw and beat a weapon that's already on you", in which you seem to have ignored a key word to what I said. Plenty. It's a well known fact that "It's almost impossible to draw and beat a weapon that's already on you." Not to mention the Tueller Rule concerning knife attack within 21 feet and not being able to draw in that time, but you insist that it is not even a problem drawing against an already drawn gun (distance irrelevant to this discussion at the moment, as none has been proposed in the scenario). Have at it Marshall Dillon, I am not so confident in my capabilities as you seem to be in yours and are berating myself and others for not being absolutely assured in ours. I guess we will see if the situation ever warrants, but I'm not so foolhardy to say to myself, "no problem, I can outdraw anybody, even a drawn gun." I'm a bit more conservative and modest than that in the thinking of my own abilities. I would hope that if it happened that I could do it if that were the last choice, but could not say with absolute confidence right now that that's definitely what the outcome would be. While that may be a fascinating subject for discussion, you have stated it as settled fact. Others, am I wrong? As I have agreed that it is possible from the beginning, however this escapes you and you continue to state it as exact science. I don't know about me either, and I'm sure not going to take it for granted in a scenario like that that I can. I'm glad that you know you can. I don't sit around all day timing myself. As heard in many old western movies, "son, there's always someone who is faster." I'll assume everyone is faster than me, keep my eyes open and watch out for trouble and hopefully I'll live longer. No one here ever said that you could. Not the scenario, not I, no one. Have at it. I have done it before (OC'd), to your surprise I'm sure, and in this entire discussion I have not been against open carrying, that was never my point or an issue. So I'm still not really sure where our disagreement lies, but apparently there seems to be one. Speed is my only point of disagreement with you, that pulling a gun from rest to on target gets there after the gun that is already on target. It's a fact of physics. Semantics of who will remain in better control of their faculties and such seem to have crept into your evidence. My only point EVER was that pulling a gun from rest to on target gets there after the gun that is already on target. Apparently that stance riles you for some reason. Sorry. It's just the way it is. An already turned on light bulb can't be beat by one that is off and switched on when someone yells "go". It just can't happen. Not sure why you have taken on the burden of this thread on yourself and turning it into some major disagreement, but we'll just have to agree to disagree. There is no cause to champion here. I only disagree with you on speed and absolute faith in that speed. As I have done. So in other words, you've done all this typing here on this thread not to voice an opinion on Open Carry, or to attack or defend it... or even to discuss it... but to attack the way others have discussed/argued it, and the example or analogies that they've used in doing so? Have I got that about right? Because if I have, I'm not quite sure what to make of it... J. It seems that the pot has called the kettle black, or Zumbo as it were.

Exactly. So I leave you to yours. You must be right and I must be wrong. You are implying, or even saying, that an undrawn weapon is able to defeat an already drawn weapon, and saying it in such a manner as to take a position that that is the case the majority of the time. While I and others will concede that it may turn out that way in the very miniscule percentage of cases, I believe that most of us would agree that in say roughly 98% of cases in that scenario, the already drawn weapon is most assuredly going to be the winner. So I'm not sure how closed my mind is or about your need to convince me that I'm wrong and that a person placed in that situation of being on the defensive side with an undrawn weapon has almost a greater advantage as you are practically on the verge of enthusiastically implying. I'm sure that almost everyone on this forum and anyone that knows anything about guns will agree that when you are the person with the undrawn weapon against a person with a drawn weapon, you are the one who is greatly at a disadvantage. Not to say in some rare circumstances that you might be the winner, but odds are GREATLY against it. I am not, nor have I said that it's not worth the try, but that most likely you will not be the winner. I'm not sure where I'm not being clear on that, or where it appears to you that I have a closed mind, but that's my position, and I'd say most others as well.

Adult conversations are over-rated.

That's right. Semi-auto only.

Bottle of ketchup/catsup. Lie down on the floor and poor bottle of ketchup/catsup all over yourself, then throw bottle under couch. When they come home and find you, lie motionless for a minute or two (60-120 seconds, NOT 2-3 seconds). When they start freaking out then you can explain to them that this is the money you could be saving by switching to Geico...I mean this is what could happen to you (or them) be leaving doors open or by having unannounced visitors and leaving keys under doormats. Maybe that will open their eyes.

whatever dude.

Jocularity aside, I don't think any of those .0000000005% of the world population that can are members of this forum. I know of maybe 3 or 4 guys in the world who could (might), but I know of no one here that could do it intentionally, under pressure, and win.

Exactly! One of the two major reasons Obama was elected, that and election fraud (ACORN, dead people voting, illegal campaign contributions from foreign countries).

Or flip the center gun around with the other two and make the end piece another of the grooved barrel rests. 6 pistolas, no problemo.

I'm with you bro. Just used your comment as a jumping off point for my own comments. I don''t disagree with you at all.

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+ 1,000,000!

Didn't miss it, got it. I agree that I'd always rather have a gun in any situation than not, even if it could only be taped to my forehead with duct tape. But your analogy is still bad and not helping make your point. It needs tweaking. You have a guy getting out of his car and walking into a store only to be confronted by a mugger midway. The GG is open carrying. I'd have to say that it's almost 100% certain that he has been made by the mugger already and can do nothing about it at that point because the mugger has the drop on him. Now if you had said the guy was walking up to the store from his car and an armed robber was coming out and the GG had time to see the bad guy first, maybe that's plausible, but what's the benefit of having a gun and OC'ing in the other scenario where the BG gets to you first? None. He gets your wallet and your gun. And you may live, or you may not. Can't beat an already drawn gun. The element of surprise would have been a good advantage to have here. Tweak the scenario up a bit and it may then support your position, but that story just doesn't.

Yeah, their govt. arms up, but the citizenry can go suck an egg. Nice attitude. I'd be moving to America asap.

I wore a leather Bianchi with my S&W .357 Magnum during most of the 80's. Very comfortable for that cannon. Worked good with a suit or casual leather jacket. Not much good in the summer though.

He hasn't done anything to win a Nobel Peace Prize, that's for sure, but he is screwing the hell out of us and our great, great grandchildren. We need an Obama-ectomy! Largest-ever federal payroll to hit 2.15 million Largest-ever federal payroll to hit 2.15 million - Washington Times and Obama unveils $3.83T budget with massive deficits Obama unveils $3.83T budget with massive deficits - Yahoo! News

Yup, exactly the point.

There are no criminals in Chicago. They've all moved to D.C.

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