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I very much hope there is follow-up so the complete set of facts are revealed, whatever they may be. Unfortunately, they will likely on get aired if it supports the initial slant. We all seen things, have had experiences. Good and bad. What we choose to focus on, says a bit. While expected from media agenda, the thing that most surprised here was the support for the presumption of guilt before innocence. I like to think we still live in 'merica, where you are innocent before proven guilty. As naive as that is. That ideal is one of the cornerstones for protection of all our rights, IMHO.

So sounds like the jury here finds he is likely crazy (not knowing info about the psych hold), the family had solid ground (though the clearly had no idea of what they were looking at), and was therefore apt to be a danger to others? Also, damages should it not be the case are irrelevant as confiscation is a must, and media portrayal and misinformation are non issues? Hmmm...well that is what news 6 wants you to beleive, so sounds like job done. Good one media. I'm not surprised by the proponent, but the reasons are not know for that conclusion. Could very well be the old man was trying to stop the knowledgeable 'family' from doing exact what folks are pointing out (calling the cops) and they ended up causing the very problem. In trying to stop them, they report he is irate or whatever....boom psych issues. Assuming crazy gun owner first is very sad to see. We just don't know. I'll wait till he's been evaluated and the story is vetted before assuming getting old automatically makes you unstable or a danger. I never support the media painting gun collectors as cooks, that any collection is an arsenal (or other inflammatory representations), and factual misrepresentation. Unfortunate it does not seem to bother others, but of course, that is why they are winning over minds and we are seeing swings in opinions.

Doubt they will feel bad at all, they already labeled him and thought he was 'off' and supporting it further based on not understanding what they were seeing. They are obvious fans of the media Koolaid based on already passing judgement without the facts and reporting machine guns that did not exist. And did not get it when they saw EOD casually strolling around all those oh so dangerous high explosives.

I dont know what is more heartbreaking, the poor older vet being harassed and having his collection damaged and confiscated, or that it was at the hands of his "family" (not red flag, just young snowflakes) The video shows the travesty. The interviews...sweet tap dancing christ where do they find these people. Notice the blue paint on the "bombs' and those 'machine guns' with the straight pull bolt actions. So for a bunch of Mosins and inert collectible following your service, your reward = straight to the loony bin for evaluation. * Its clear, the media only wants to generate fear and misinformation, and they are getting the authorities to help them now. Its pretty scary. * I did find one thing disturbing and gave me pause for a second. As they panned over the ammo 'arsenal', there is a PINK ammo can. No good can come of that! https://6abc.com/police-most-military-items-found-in-montco-home-were-collectible-in-nature/5519469/ https://www.yahoo.com/news/police-family-worried-finding-military-165419490.html

I think its time to treat yourself to the new steel framed Q5, best of both worlds. I keep eyeballing them, but have so far haven't caved.

His gun is not worth what yours is. You can buy a new Q5 for sub $700 and readily available, unlike a 30 year old S&W target 44 pre-lock. I'd say he is taking advantage of your book not being unavailable ...just checked my 40th anniv blue book (2019) and it says $750 @ 95%. and that is underestimating for it being a pre lock gun.

I generally prescribe to that philosophy, let live and live. The only caveat I'll add to that is pulling support should be considered at lower thresholds than full anti-gun support, and even outside guns, to other freedoms that get infringed. Consider smart companies do not typically express politics, or do it in subtle or small ways under the radar to avoid alienating customer bases. We are unfortunately put into the position of being a little hypocritical at times, when we see it, but let the lower level stuff go. Probably more so on non gun issues. FWIW, the Walmart CEO has been tipping his hand since he took the reigns with the AR removal, when the sales lie (his smarter underling claimed to the press) was outed when he used that same line back then about supporting "hunters and sports shooters" and no need for 'military style weapons'. We all know that is hard core liberal anti 2A phrasing, just like 'common sense laws". I avoided them for a few years, then became a hypocrite myself when I stopped in their a couple times in the last year after we moved here.

My wife was overjoyed! I hope there is a good number who share the sentiment, but more importantly a high enough percentage of them with resolve to keep it up. I am sure in the near term it will be a bit, but I'd expect many will give that up at times when they need something or want for less. The fact that WM dropped AR's a few short years ago without anyone even blinking, while Dicks got hammered for doing the same exact thing suggests its easy enough to snow most pro 2A folks if you simply make up some lies about it. At the time, WM claimed it was due to lack of demand (during Obama and record sales...what??), where as Dicks didn't fib about the why. On top that little blast from the past, with McMillon coming out anti 2A, it should make it clear where they have really been the entire time of his leadership. Which in my book, makes them worse than Dicks as they have been playing the long game while lying, just like the Democrats have been. At least Dicks was honest about being weenies

The CT rounds were one of the possibilities primarily pushed by one supplier. But not an absolute requirement as long as it hucks the required projectile downrange. Their big ask is its 20% lighter. The hybrid comes in based on how they are fusing different materials together to lighten the cases. In that article the Sig had steel and brass cases, and there was mention of polymer cases. This article did a little explanation of testing that led to the candidates falling between 6.3 to 6.8, before they settled on the 6.8. Had some pictures of poly hybrid cases. I would love to know how they combine different materials to support such high pressures. https://uklandpower.com/2018/10/19/the-us-armys-next-generation-squad-weapon-programme/

Well, I didnt see this while I was alluding to Lefty McMillon...glad to see it was well deserved. Full Anti-Gun Koolaid all around please!

Spot on! This is another case of incrementally chipping away, but worse is making a power statement that will serve as an example to both the anti gun left and incite others businesses who have been neutral or fence sitting. If anyone things they are just appeasing the masses, a quick review of the mostly (possibly newly) left CEO can see its much much more than that. He is jumping on the anti-gun bus, and in this case, driving it. Here are a couple examples: Chief Executive Doug McMillon called on Congress and the White House to enact "common sense" measures Ok....when is the last last time you say anyone ask for "common sense" laws that was not hyper left? “We have a long heritage as a company of serving responsible hunters and sportsmen and women, and we’re going to continue doing so,” Mr. McMillon said. This is my favorite one, read between the lines here. If you have an AR or other "assault style" weapon, you clearly are irresponsible. We dont like you, and we dont want you around. Personally I have bought my ammo from online retailers for years, my wife hates going, and I only (use to) get protein bars from them. So no loss to me, but have to say I am surprised to hear so many here buy at brick and mortar. I am of the mind it will have little to no impact on pricing, that is supply and demand. They were just a means to an end. If anything, I beleive this opens up a chance for a decrease in prices. Walmart was never competitive and kept supply down online. This puts more in the supply chain for large online retailers who will may likely get incentives to pick up that inventory. That may in turn lead to some price wars as they have room to pass on any incentives to consumers. That is what I am hoping for. And of course for Doug McMillon to have his wife given him his nutsack back versus being the left's little B

The FBI spokesperson yesterday indicated that he did not specify any hostile intentions, rather it was "ramblings". TV news and print....your left media hard at work confusing the truth and stating its all facts.

I'm kinda thinking its more a necessary statement given events, but time if on his side. Of course, he could surprise with the action not being what the left expects.

Sad isn't it. Worse thing is its effective on a large audience. And the media keeps incenting these nuts while promoting their agenda. Win win for them. I did see on glimmer of hope: " Odessa Police Chief Michael Gerke refused to say the name of the shooter during a televised news conference, saying he wouldn't give him notoriety" But then: "but police later posted his name on Facebook" Its such an easy concept to not report it. Seems if we ever got that smart, the gun grabbers will claim the right is trying to hide things while managing to bury the much higher incidents of gun violence for non target demographic. Seems a bit racist ironically. Here is one last thing, that is a bit curious to see if it goes anywhere: Abbott said. "Too many Texans are in mourning. Too many Texans have lost their lives. The status quo in Texas is unacceptable, and action is needed."

Please folks....they need our help!

...and reads your forum posts.

OP did mention the min monthly payments, which are pretty standard. But like No_0ne mentioned, the 4% CD is not something you should expect to find, and they vary by geographic area. I haven't seen one for a while. Around here right now, money market accounts are doing better then CD's at around 2% compared to .5 to .75%. Why would you lock money into a CD with numbers like like.

Well, if its any consolation, I guess that makes me a fossil too.

I think its funny y'all dont think someone would not know what a polished blued gun looks like because they would own a Beretta. As entertaining as Dave's ramblings can be, I think he led you astray me thinks with that one crack missing that last posts where only in reference to how one would classify a Beretta finish. Forgot I had previously mentioned not shiny blue but a yucky paint. At his age....probably hard to remember things For what its worth, I do own some of those fossil guns you guys are on about with that shiny blue finish, or whats left of it in a couple cases.

I feel about the same with anything in FDE. Certain cosmetics are love or hate

No such animal exists. The TN guns are no different than the other 92's. As previously mentioned, that grill paint is called Bruniton. Its pretty good stuff, wears well. The 92 I've put over 15k rounds thru in the last 25 years still looks pretty newish.

It sounds like we are all saying the same thing? The biggest difference is there you are making an assumption of 100% QC based on a different product line and experience. Nothing is simply because it is, its allowed and happens from by cause. In this case the finger was squarely pointed at management. Blaming the workers would assume the policy and expectation is known. But they are not cutting cost and upping throughput while keeping or adding more QC with an increased defect rate...that's for damn sure. The problem is every wants to assume they demand high QC on every unit. No one is willing to accept defect rates are allowed to be higher now. And they do not look at every unit thru the process. Either way, management decisions (also their fail for any non compliance). MD has the same issues, not sure why they are seen (today) as better than Gallatin (today). Its a US corporate issue, not isolated to TN. Consumers do drive expectation, or places go out of business. Unless you can make your widgets cheap enough. Its also why products adapt to consumer requests. Where is anyone saying military contracts ARE based on quality?? You perhaps missed the context and meaning they have a negative impact. The only thing that said is the consumer end suffers when a manufacturer also pursues military contracts. For those that don't follow... Make more stuff, faster, quicker. What happens? Less QC (cut corners) to pump units to meet demand as they do not increase personnel and resources proportionally. They will try to get the cost per unit down as they sell to .mil at 1/3 the cost per unit compared to the consumer product. But .mil does not care about QC issues that prevent it from going bang typically, so now you tell QC to go to the lowest common denominator between consumer and the military standard, so certain consumer side QC items go away. Both FN and Sig consumer goods show the battle scars of the their military contracts. Colt was pretty good until their bankruptcy concerns. And are in decline sadly.

Excellent point. No doubt why you can see the consumer end suffer when they move toward military contract supply as in the Sig case. You see it all the time in gun community, where some openly chastise and discourage those that bring up QC issues on new with the 'its a tool and should look used' thinking. No reminding them what resale is on something 100% vs 75% or that here is no manly looking patina price appreciation. When they start giving me guns for free...I'll look passed defects too!

As previously stated, OP was done based on his requirement for high polish since that is not how any standard modern 92 variants come. Italy or no. As far as Gallatin QC. I dont see it relagated to them. MD has issues from what I've seen and even sent back (92G-SD around 2015) and a recent repair. Its more the fact that the current workforce and standards are not what they were many places in the US. In Beretta's case they are being most let down by the machining, whoever or where ever they are made. And that most of their assembly folks seem to have marginal skills using a hammer and punch and like to miss and damage the slides. The current barrel and locking blocks are causing frame damage from rough or incomplete rail cuts that are not chamfered or dehorned. Then slide assemblies forced into place with the barrel out of alignment to the frame rails damaging the aluminum frame rails with heavy chips dragged thru the gun on test fire. That is simple carelessness in assembly, but its also driven by changed in production standards and through put requirements. I got my Volunteer 92G and it was flawless with great build quality, but my 92 Compact L bought at the same time was replaced by Beretta for the aforementioned bad barrel maching (MD issue, not Gallatin). That said, I've sent back two S&W revolvers with overclocked barrels (seriously how hard is that) and a 329PD with a sprung yolk that had the the ejector bushing grinding out the back of the frame. Countless issue with Sigs, I would not buy either a S&W revolver or Sig without hands on and heavy inspection first. If anyone compares a modern Colt M4 to one from just a few years ago....you may be surprised unless you got very lucky. They are grinding extensions to solve feeding problems as well cheaper bolts lacking the level of machining their old ones had, among other things. It's BS. For me, the poster child for poor or non-existent QC while banking on marketing, IS Sig. Hands down. And its gotten worse with their pursuit of .mil contracts. Flame suit on for you P365 bandwagoning first time Siggers. There is a reason why folks want Italian Beretta's and German Sigs. Here is the thing, and its really frowned on here, but folks are having a problem accepting some new realities. Cost reduction is king. Production standards are demanding more volume, less time, and reduced QC as cost cutting measures. And it seems to hit harder in the US. Hard pill to swallow, current American made is not what it once was. And its not 100% the workforce, but their management and bottom line focus. From both profit motivation and simply trying to stay competitive. I want to malign the 18-30 years olds that do the work, I do think its a factor based on a more indifferent attitude, but hard to say if that is the gen versus bad workplace restraints that are causing it.