deerslayer

Why are you afraid to answer my simple question?

Because I fail to see how they are not as safe. What is the difference? That's comical. Just out of curiosity, what kind of loaded handgun do you feel comfortable being swept with?

And if a guy has an AD w/ his M&P, what will that make him?

Wow, that was an informative answer.

It is not safe to wave around ANY gun with your finger on the trigger and expect nothing to happen. Obviously, you have to put your finger on the trigger sooner or later if you plan to shoot something, but when drawing from a holster or while walking around is not the time to do it. A grip safety doesn't help here--if you have a firing grip on the gun (which most will upon completing the first step of a draw) the safety in disengaged. As for the guy who shot himself in the leg, Glocks don't discharge "due to being bumped." He pulled the trigger.

And that is what I'm talking about--if you have your finger on the trigger in a deadly force situation, how is the Glock any more dangerous? Is it because it doesn't have a 12 pound trigger, like many traditional double actions? And does a 5.5 Glock trigger result in "Glock leg?" If so, why did the guy with "Glock leg" have the Glock pointed at his leg when he pulled the trigger? Would this injury have been prevented if he had used a 1911 or a SIG or an XD? I'm not trying to be smart here, just trying to understand the difference that makes a Glock supposedly so dangerous. Also, (off topic a little) how does the M&P trigger compare to a Glock's? (regarding safety AND shootability)

BTW, I see you're a Smith guy--do you use an M&P or a 59 series or what? I believe the M&P is definitely here to stay--have heard nothing but good about it. I haven't fired one yet, but will at first opportunity.

When did Glocks come on the scene? Immediately after many departments made the switch from revolvers. Officers went from a long, 10 or 12 lb. trigger to a shorter, 5.5 lb. trigger and had immediate problems. If they had switched to 1911s w/ 3.5 lb. triggers instead, would the results have been any different? They either didn't practice much with them or they had their fingers on their triggers A LOT. BTW, the M&P is too new to include here, but I'm not how sure they are any safer than a Glock. I have fired more rounds through Glocks than probably 99% of LEOs in America, and I've never had an AD. Go figure.

LOL, I know I am in the minority on this issue. I often hear the same answers that you just gave--not that they are wrong, but I simply like a little more security, and the Bianchi 5 costs me no extra time on my draw. I originally looked at their Carrylok series and decided that they weren't for me. Unsnapping the thumb-break is a natural part of my draw; I don't think I could unlock the Carrylok without adding more time to my draw. BTW, the "average Joe" on the street will often be caught off guard, unfortunately. How much longer on your Wilson?

I would say that is an excellent record--your training program was probably excellent, as well.

An astonishing percentage of cops are not proficient with firearms. If Glocks didn't exist, and some other gunmaker claimed 2/3 of the LEO market, then that gunmaker would probably get bashed as being "unsafe" because of the resulting higher number of ADs with their product. Take note, however, that I mentioned gunowners, as well as cops.

Here's what I use every time I carry: http://www.bianchi-intl.com/product/Prod.php?TxtModelID=5 Yes, it has a thumbreak-snap, and many will tell you that's its too slow for anyone serious about CCW. All I can tell you is that it is my only carry holster, and it works extremely well. I even use it in IDPA matches. I regularly get chastised about it--"get a kydex holster and you'll drop .3 seconds from your draw." Baloney. I've used this holster since I was a fetus and it's no slower than the kydex holsters that most of my fellow IDPA match shooters use. Retention holsters aren't just for cops--if you're going to carry on the street, you should be prepared to face the same kinds of hand-to-hand/CQ fighting that a cop could see, and that, IMHO, requires a holster which will give you a LITTLE more warning when someone grabs your gun in a fight, by suprise from behind, or whenever. Maybe I'm a little more cautious than most, but if you ever have any business in Memphis, you should be prepared for WW3. I'll try to post some links to some match video of me using this holster; you can see for yourself that it works well.

"Glock butt" and "Glock leg" are always obtained by pulling the trigger while said Glock is pointing at said butt or leg--a lousy course of action. More Glocks are involved in these types of accidents because more Glocks are sold and because the majority of LEOs and gunowners alike are grossly lacking in proper gun handling training. The combination of the volume of Glocks out there and this lack of gun handling skills is the main reason Glocks are more involved in NDs than other types. If one is schooled in proper gun handling (on the range or on the street), he/she should have no problems safely carrying a Glock.

If you run around with your finger on the trigger, how is the Glock any more unsafe than anything else? What does it matter?

Dude, I'm 5'10/180 lbs.

+1 Do it!

You should not assume that you will be able to get off five shots w/ your .22.

Yes, back when I was still slim and trim.

Who cares if they are killed? Immediate incapacitation is what CCW types need, and these rounds are not as effective as others. Someone shot with a .22 or .380 may die immediately, or they may die after a few days in the ICU; did that .22 or .380 prevent them from killing/harming someone AFTER they were shot with it? The chance of such prevention is better with a 38 or 9mm, which should be at the BOTTOM of the power level of a CCW, IMO.

LOL, I forgot that Smith always has a seperate model number for stainless. Thanks!

Ok, I've had a couple Michelobs and am too lazy to go to the S*W website. What is the difference between the 442 and 642? Sooner or later, I'm getting one of these.

+1 As new to shooting as you are, a .38 revolver is definitely the way to go.