deerslayer

During the four months that it was legal, there's not a doubt in my mind that someone drank and carried. And you're absolutely right, there's nothing to stop them from breaking the law right now. Fortunately, nothing that we know of happened. As for it never happening, I remember Steve McNair getting a weapons violation along with a DUI three or four years ago. Why did he get a weapons violation? He had a gun while drinking. Was he legally drunk? Who cares--the damage was done. Also, you're not from Memphis, so you may not know/remember, but there was a high profile shooting at an East Memphis bar involving an off-duty cop who had been drinking. I don't know if he had a permit, but many cops do. That's beside the point. A guy who was otherwise legal to carry a gun went to a bar and should have stayed home. If he had not been a cop, we would have been crucified to no end in the media. Here's the story: Officer charged in fatal shooting An off-duty Shelby County sheriff's sergeant has been charged with second-degree murder in a shooting early Friday at an East Memphis lounge. Sgt. Chris M. Jones, 39, the son of former Memphis City Council member E.C. Jones, was taken into custody at the scene. The Windjammer restaurant was the scene of a double shooting early this morning. Memphis police responded to the call at the Wind Jammer restaurant, 786 E. Brookhaven, at 12:50 a.m., where they found that two people had been shot. Wind Jammer's disc jockey, Donald Munsey, 42, was taken to the Regional Medical Center at Memphis, where he was pronounced dead, police said. A 22-year-old man remained in critical condition at The Med Friday evening. Police did not identify the second shooting victim. Jones, who was off duty at the time of the shooting, has also been charged with attempted second-degree murder. Police said the shootings stemmed from an argument in the parking lot between Jones and the 22-year-old man. After the pair moved into the restaurant, Munsey attempted to resolve the argument when a physical fight broke out. Jones shot both victims during the altercation, according to police investigators. Reached Friday morning by phone, E.C. Jones said he hadn't been able to talk with his son. "I was advised he'd been involved in an altercation ... why it happened, I don't know." "The Sheriff's Office is conducting an administrative investigation about the circumstances that led to Sgt. Jones' arrest. This has been a tragic event for the victims and their families," Shelby County Sheriff Mark H. Luttrell said in a statement. It's against the law for an off-duty officer to carry a gun into a bar, said Sheriff's Office spokesman Steve Shular, although deputies are allowed to carry their weapons elsewhere while off-duty. Jones, a member of the West Tennessee Drug Task Force, has been employed by the sheriff's department since 1991. He's been involved in a number of traffic stops that led to major drug busts, including one in 2007 that led to the seizure of more than a million dollars worth of marijuana. Jones' most recent performance review, dated June 2007, indicated that he "exceeds department expectations," although he received a written reprimand on April 18 for boxing-in a car during a traffic stop without the proper training. He was counseled to "improve supervisory effectiveness when anticipating and meeting unexpected situations." Earlier in his career, Jones took part in an arrest involving four deputies that led to a $3.5 million settlement against the county. Deputies hog-tied Bertram Brunson after a 1991 arrest on a DUI charge, cutting off oxygen to his brain and causing him to lapse into a coma. The deputies were suspended briefly but returned to active duty later that year. In 1992, a Shelby County grand jury declined to indict them in the incident. The Wind Jammer is on a formerly residential street just off Poplar in the shadow of Clark Tower. A sign on on the lounge informs customers that it's open from "4 p.m. till." - Hank Dudding: 529-2565 - Dakarai Aarons: 529-6515

I recently went through this process and got it resolved without going to court or calling a lawyer. First, try your local police precinct. Gather as much personal info about the checkwriter and the incident as you can and take it to the cops. They will probably have you file a police report and pass it on to the Economic Crimes Bureau, or whatever they call it where you live. ECB had me first send a certified letter to the checkwriter notifying him that he had 10 days to make good on the check before ECB got involved. He ignored it. ECB then paid him a visit and informed him that he had one hour to prove that he had sufficient funds on the date the check was written. If he couldn't he was going to 201. He paid me in cash two hours later.

Anything can happen anywhere, any time, but the Island is relatively safe. Getting to and from the Island, on the other hand...

So many mistakenly think that you can't get a DUI unless you blow a .08. BAC is merely one test that an officer can do. In TN, you can blow a .03 and still go to jail. Two beers will get many to .08, anyway. It doesn't matter if you are drunk or not. Maybe you'll win in court, maybe you won't. The state does not care if someone can handle their alcohol or not. That's where .08 comes in--it's an arbitrary limit for determining when someone is drunk, but officers get LOTS of discretion. Too many people have too lax an attitude when it comes to drinking and driving. I fear that these same people will have the same lax attitude when drinking and carrying. This is why I have no problem with a "no guns in places where you must be 21 to enter" law. If somebody gets a DUI, nobody is going to start a grassroots movement to ban people from driving. If someone with an HCP gets caught drinking and carrying, drunk or not, someone somewhere will use the event as ammunition for the argument that no one should have an HCP. And if an armed HCP holder is considering having a couple drinks while carrying, I don't think they should have one either. I'm not as worried about what they will do as a result of drinking as I am about the consequences of being caught drinking and carrying for non-drinking HCP holders.

Then how do you manipulate the manual safety on a standard 1911?

Oh, there are pages 2 and 3...

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Maybe I am a fuddy-duddy, but I don't think the gun will be the main issue if you get pulled over on they way home after drinking. A weapons violation will just be a cherry on top of the DUI you may be facing.

You might change your mind if you had ever been bitten by a slide, or if you were left-handed.

*yawn* is my personal reaction. Another government model. It needs a beavertail, a commander hammer, and an ambi safety to be useful for me. At least it has a dovetailed front sight. If it's not a Rock Island with "Remington" stamped on the slide, I bet it sells like crazy.

Going to a wedding at 12. Will try to swing by afterward.

Went back in the 90s. Was pissed because I lost $80 that week. Saw Jackie Chan, John Bobbit, and lots of 6' hookers. Saw some mafia looking a-hole betting $30K a hand at Caesar's Palace. Grand Canyon was the best part of the trip--long drive, though. Next time, I'll just fly to Flagstaff. As a matter of fact, that's exactly what I'm doing in June.

+1 for plain black Sevigny Comps. I have Ameriglos on some guns, too. It's amazing what a little daylight on each side of the front sight will do for your speed. Tritium inserts and fiber optic dots are just a distraction to me (until my vision takes a dump).

Pepper spray, then hollow points, if needed. I see no need in risking rabies or worse because of some irresponsible dogowner.

Mt. Leconte.

Do you know for sure that they were shipped Thursday? UPS and FedEx often get blamed when they never had the package to begin with.

You'd be surprised how many people live on a dirt path with five other houses and no numbers on any of the houses, but a row of mailboxes out on the main road. Somehow, the order of the mailboxes never matches the order of the houses.

That's gotta be a first...

Are you one of those people who live on a gravel road with five other houses and nobody has an address visible? Also, how is it the fault of a driver when a shipper ships a package to someone's old address?

Wow, the misinformation runs wild in this thread. 1. OS is on the money--the Reauthorization bill is about FedEx and UPS playing the same game by the same rules. 2. FedEx and UPS both use the "ring and run" method. If a shipper wants a signature for a delivery, they can easily specify such. FedEx once left a 17" Compaq computer monitor on my front porch in the rain. 3. UPS pays zillions every month in damage claims, as does FedEx. Claims paid only when packages are lost is a fallacy. 4. There is UPS and UPS Freight. UPS does not ship pallets. 5. I am no lover of unions, but I would like to see some of you run a UPS route for one month and complain that you were getting paid too much or that union work rules made for a "cush" job. Yes, I work at UPS. Fire away.

Take a hard look at an STI Trojan or Ranger II www.stiguns.com. If you are thinking about a Kimber, go to an IDPA match. The guy cussing his 1911 and talking about switching to tactical plastic probably has a Kimber in his hand.

I converted a 23 to shoot 9mm with a lone wolf barrel like andersmg mentioned. It did fine. Sometimes, people have to change the ejector to a 9mm also.

The Guns & Ammo smith is named Phil Colley, I believe. He's always done sights for me in less than 30 minutes. Call before you go--he keeps odd hours and is not there on weekends.

I would love to go to LeConte this time of year. I was up ther in late April a few years ago, and there was snow on the sides of the trail (not 48" though!)

Anybody taken this at RUSA? Street Handgun - Force on Force