DaveTN

I think a S&W 617 would be cool to have; same size and weight as my 686. But even used they bring a premium.

Thats it. thanks.

No it wasn’t Craigslist; they don’t allow firearms. Someone posted it as a link to a handgun someone was selling, but now I can’t find it. I was in a hurry and had to leave, but it appeared there were a lot of guns on it.

Also, whenever you post in any thread there is a box at the bottom that says “Notification Type:â€. In the pull down pick "instant email notification". You can make this the default in the User Control Panel.

Someone had a link in a thread awhile back to a local “for sale†site that also allowed firearms. I can’t find it now, can someone help me out?

Good that things worked out for him. But if you ever have to do that don’t stand in the middle of your driveway with your back exposed to the street.

It’s happened in other places also. I have never been able to understand how a Police Chief or a Sheriff could be so ignorant as to allow Officers to wear subdued uniforms and masks on raids. If the warrant is important enough to put your Officers life in danger the people inside should at least be able to recognize them as Police officers when they come through the door. I have been on many and we wore regular uniforms. We usually didn’t do a drug raid unless we had an undercover Officer or informant inside the house. If I remember correctly the Lt. in charge of the raid in Lebanon was arrested. But I think the charges were eventually dropped.

In my area it was on the owner. We had to secure the house until someone could be found. If no one came around, city maintenance would come out and board up the door.

As I have said before, most of the Police Officers I know are all for armed citizens. Now if we could get the legislators in Illinois to feel the same way as the cops; the citizens would be able to carry and the cops wouldn’t have to arrest people for something they think shouldn’t be a crime.

I never used the words “Professional LEâ€. I used the words “full time copsâ€. Glad to see we have some.

Oh I agree with that. I will go so far as to say that I’m fine with carry without any training requirement. Training is the responsibility of the person carrying. If they violate a firearms law, pull a gun or shoot someone when they are not legally justified; they go to jail. You and I are in full agreement about our rights. We just don’t agree where those rights come from. I saw HR218 as a possible precursor to a federal carry permit for everyone. But then I’m looking at it from a different perspective than most people here. My friends and family can’t carry at all; no matter who they know or no matter how much they pay. I’m not a retired cop so the bill does nothing for me. But I don’t think it benefits the carry community as a whole to be pizzed off about cops or retired cops being allowed to carry when and where others can’t. (If that is even the case) If you ignore a state criminal law on where and when you can carry you are a criminal. I can’t think of a reason why you would have to do that.

There are still many legal interpretations and court rulings in process on HR218. NJ for example bans Officers from carrying in casinos. Most LE originations are warning their members to abide by states laws governing where they can carry. If NJ can claim casinos; I would guess that Tennessee can claim bars and restaurants that serve alcohol. On the other hand Illinois bans carry by anyone but Illinois LEO’s. But they have (so far) abided by HR218 in allowing both full time and retired Officers to carry. I would not want to be a Police Officer that tested the carry in restaurant/alcohol restriction in Tennessee and claim HR218 allows it. If wrong; it could be a career ending move. Maybe DBTN can fill us in on if there have been any court rulings in Tennessee?

Here is the answer according to the Tennessee Sheriff’s Handbook 2006.

Wasn’t some kind of Nashville politician arrested for walking into a place that he didn’t know served liquor? I don’t remember the exact details but I remember it being all over the news.

You are correct if that is the case. Besides the written law that we have internet access to; there is case law. Are there case laws on cops carrying 24/7? Let’s ask one of the forum full time cops…. Oh wait… we don’t have any. I’m surprised at some of the people here that want to limit anyone carrying anywhere. Sure I’m obviously pro law enforcement and I got to carry anywhere I wanted any time I wanted within the confines of my state. On-duty, off duty, bars, government buildings; it didn’t matter. The only place I can remember not being able to carry a gun was if I wanted to enter a jail. Don’t be pissed off at the cops they didn’t make the laws.

Well…. That depends on how you look at it. People did go home at get their guns and come back. Whitman was not pinned down; he wasn’t trying to go anywhere and knew he was going to die. Four Police Officers and a civilian entered the tower to take down Whitman. Their efforts were hampered by friendly fire coming from the ground. Not exactly what I would point to as a glowing review for citizens with guns. Whitman had killed 14 people and wounded 31 after shooting for 90 minutes. The body count could be as high today, but no way could it go on for 90 minutes.

You will probably find that Tennessee is like most states in that a Police Officer is a Police Officer anywhere in the state. I would guess that their certification is statewide; not limited to the city that hired them. Well… at least it can lead to someone thinking that cops are like that. I am not suggesting that it is okay for cops to ignore any firearms laws; that would be wrong. I’m suggesting that all these statements about what cops can and can’t do could possibly be But I’m not sure.

I have asked about Tennessee law on that before and have never seen any reference to the law. Department policies don’t mean anything; it is covered by state law, I would be curious to know if it is different here. Illinois makes no distinction between “on†or “off dutyâ€. If you are a sworn Police Officer you can carry anywhere it the state anytime regardless of what department you work for. You could be called to act "In the actual discharge of official duties as a law enforcement officer" at any time… that would be though to do without a weapon.

Are you a Police officer?

I don’t think that the training is a big issue to those that oppose guns in schools. You could be trained at Quantico Virginia or LAPD SWAT and still most people will not want you to be able to carry in a school. Some don’t want guns anywhere. I think many others don’t want to give up what little hope they have left. For years they have believed that if their kids were at school they were pretty safe. The recent schools shooting in this country have put more fear in people than any terrorist could ever hope for. The problem is that we can’t do anything about the root cause.

Like what alternatives? And I’m not arguing with you; this is a major problem that many are trying to come up with an answer to. But the fact is that the only way to stop a shooter is to stop his ability to shoot. Time is the problem; 2 or 3 minutes can mean a high body count. Police are mostly reactive; not proactive. The department I was on put an Officer in each school. But if a shooter plans this out (as it appears most of them have); neutralizing that threat would be pretty easy, I don’t care how well trained the Officer is. Here are some things that we know won’t work… gun control, metal detectors, searches. Most of these types of shooters are well aware that they are going to either die or spend the rest of their lives in prison; so legislation won’t matter. In 1966 when Charles Whitman climbed the UT tower there were no policies in place for something like that. 41 years later and we still can’t prevent it, all we know is that the shooter will continue to shoot until he runs out of ammo or is killed. No one wants to force teachers to carry guns and from what I understand most teachers don’t want to carry. But if a teacher wants to go through the proper training, keep it quiet, keep the weapon concealed and secured; I don’t see much better choices.

Many parents have that concern. But in the wake of all the school shootings many Police Departments have changed their tactics on these types of shootings. Instead of trying to secure the scene and talk the shooter out, they have adopted a policy of immediately entering the building and engaging the shooter. This could cause others to be shot but the alternative is well documented in the death of many kids. An active shooter in a building will have plenty of time to accomplish whatever he intends to do if the victims have to wait even 2 or 3 minutes for the Police to show up. Someone with the ability to stop the threat needs to be able to respond immediately. Sad… but that’s the way it is.

Ask Mike.357, see what they wanted to do to him. They wanted me to do 90 days in jail in Illinois on a misdemeanor possession charge. It also depends on the circumstances of how they find it. It doesn’t take much to turn a misdemeanor into a felony if you commit it while armed.

The way I see the law is that you could have loaded magazines in your vehicle on property where you can legally hunt. If the Officer that stopped you on your way there wants to arrest you; that’s up to him. A valid defense means that you can try to make that argument in court… that would suck. Those of us that transport rifles to and from a place where we can legally shoot can’t transport loaded magazines (That are accessible). So I doubt it would be different for hunters.

Here’s some advice Matthew… If you want to get to carry a firearm on campus; then fight for that. If you try to get someone to acknowledge that you have a 2<SUP>nd</SUP> amendment right to do so; you have lost before you ever get started and you will never get to carry on campus.