DaveTN

No one. There will be a handful of people that like anything, and I’m not saying they shouldn’t make it. But that’s a $500 Kel-Tec PLR (only the PLR being a better caliber). Not a $1500 weapon. If I’m missing something; please fill me in. What’s the application for this?

If Martin would have had a gun and shot his attacker; we wouldn’t have heard of either of them either.

The H&K MP5 is only cool because it a submachine gun. A Semi-auto clone is not cool. Why would shooting a neutered MP5 at the range be any more fun that shooting an AR Pistol or an AR rifle with much more capability? If someone is shooting and they don’t think its fun; I really doubt this will change their mind.

I’ve always found WWB and Remington UMC Mega Packs to be reliable for cheap brass case range ammo. You can usually find either of those locally. But sure, if you order enough to get free shipping; online is the way to go.

They are making their own firearm that will use Glocks parts?

That’s kinda what I wanted to see. While not a polished blue like Smith & Wesson, it appears to have a little shine. I think I’ll check out the gun show here tomorrow, and if don’t find anything (which is usually the case anymore); I’ll order new.

I don't trust them. I've bought from them, they generally have the lowest price (unless Amazon has it), but they play fast and loose with delivery. They were just the only ones I saw that had the V2 listed with a shipping time.

What "Just a rather plain blue" looks like.

I’m thinking about ordering this gun. But I’m curious about the blued finish and the Ruger site picture really doesn’t show it that well. Anyone have any good pictures of this gun that was purchased recently?? https://www.ruger.com/products/newModelBlackhawkConvertible/specSheets/0463.html

That was just from the OpticsPlanet site. They added the V2, but it says 5-7 weeks delivery.

Looks like 5-7 weeks for the next versions.

I just picked this up at CMP. What do you think?

Here are about 15 of them. I didn't go through all of them, but saw it as low as $24. https://www.tn.gov/safety/tnhp/handgun/locate.html

Thanks, that’s a good review; but not on the new product. It appears (from the info linked below) that the 407C requires sight removal to change the battery, that’s unacceptable (for me). It appears the V2 does not require the sight be removed. That (if I’m reading it right) by itself would make the V1 Holosun take a back seat to the Venom. I would think most shooters would be comparing it to the Vortex Vemom, Burris Fastfire III, and maybe even the Leupold Deltapoint Pro (although its price is much higher). https://armsvault.com/2020/01/holosun-new-products/

I’m going to be needing a new optic soon. With them being about the same price I wonder how the 407C compares with the Vortex Venom. I also wonder how long it will before the 407C V2 is out and what the difference is. There are “0 reviews” for all those Holosun optics on the site that is linked; are they new?

This came in yesterday. I hope to get to the range next week. I'm hoping I may find another gun I'm looking for at the gun show this weekend. Ruger Mark IV Competition

I had a friend that got drunk, and got in a bar fight. The next day his head keep hurting so bad he went to the hospital. He had been shot in the head.

That too.

Well there you go; don’t shoot someone with a .380 unless you are prepared to take an azz whipping.

If she had just asked him to stop beating her azz for a minute while she took better aim; she probably could have used what she had. Sometimes folks just don’t think these things through.

The flag has holes in it.

Small, durable handgun optics is a hot market. I expect to see quality increase, cost decrease and more firearms available with them as options.

.380 is better than a spitball through a straw. .380 is a terrible round. It’s just a 9MM short and is plagued with problems of operating guns of any size. I had a guy pull a .380 round out of his side and hand it to me after he had been shot. Could that have happened with another round? Maybe, but it didn’t and I saw it first hand in a real world shooting. So my opinion, based on that, and having shot them into various materials, formed my opinion they are pretty much worthless. Now…lets be fair. Shot placement. If you are one of the people that can, under probably the biggest adrenalin rush you have ever experienced, place a shot where any round would immediately stop the person; caliber is a non-issue for you. Or if you think “Modern Ammunition” figures into this; you might want to check it out. My goal in a shooting against an armed assailant is to make him unwilling or unable to fire his weapon. I don’t think a .380 is a good round for that.

Okay, as I read that my thoughts were that things are already as bad as they can possibly be. In that scenario a bunch of people would die if the local SWAT team was in the parking lot. Luckily church shooters are mentally ill terrorists. The odds of getting several of them together are probably worse than winning Powerball. Train for what would be a likely scenario. That’s a shooter standing amongst a bunch of your people. Do whatever you need to do and make whatever plans you need to put your own shooter as close to the bad guy as you can. If you have someone in a vehicle in the parking lot, I wouldn’t say it’s a bad idea for him to have a rifle in addition to a handgun. Just remember, if a shooter starts shooting in the parking lot, your primary goal is not to kill him; its to make him stop shooting. You opening fire at him with a handgun could cause that. Spending more time to bring a rifle into play may cost lives. It’s why you train. You have to be prepared for any likely scenario. You have to be able to take out a shooter without shooting everyone around them. You may also find your self in a situation where you do have to put innocent people lives in danger. No matter what you do; a bunch of people are going to sit around and arm chair quarterback what you did. If no lives are lost they are going to question if you needed to shoot at all, and if maybe you are just trigger happy. If multiple lives are lost there will be countless opinions of things you could have done. Most of those peoples opinions won’t matter; but some of them will impact your future.