DaveTN

Anyone seen any in local stores? I checked at the gunshow in Murfreesboro and at the Outpost, but couldn’t find any.

Any of them that referred to their support of the 2nd amendment, or infringing on a 2nd amendment right they imply citizens have. There are a couple of states that recognize the 2nd amendment as a right; our state is not one of them. But I guess it is easier to make a big deal about whether or not someone from a special group can carry a gun in a bar than it is to address the elephant in the room. And who pitched them those softballs? This is the Governor we are talking about. Question: 95% of the citizens of Tennessee would be arrested and charged with a crime if they were stopped carrying a loaded gun or had one in their car. Would you continue to support these laws that many feel are in direct violation of the 2nd amendment?

When I see a Politician giving lip service to the 2nd amendment for political gain it makes me want to puke. 2nd amendment rights are something you have or you don’t. I don’t want a Governor that doesn’t know the difference.

Without making any judgments about what his friend should do; how in the world would DOS be able to determine that someone attended a drug rehab program unless it was ordered by the court or parole/probation? Most of your information is not very secure; but I don’t think medical information is available to anyone unless you jump through hoops and sign all kinds of releases. My Doctors office wouldn’t even talk to my wife about any of my information unless I signed a release specifically stating they could do that.

Watch the movie "Prey" before you go.

The average person can’t strap on a pistol and walk off his property. What does that have to do with liquor or restaurants Mr. Lt. Gov?

Fit, finish and quality is a difference. So is whether your 25 yard pattern looks like it was shot out of a short barreled shotgun or a handgun. Price use to be an indicator of what you could expect, but that has changed a lot. There is a lot of junk priced at $600, (these are the 1911’s that just a few years ago you could pick up for $300 or under) there are also some makers in the $1K and over range that have absolutely no reason to be there. If you can’t shoot a tight group it is either you or the gun. You need to try to check that out before you buy. If it’s you, it doesn’t matter what you spend, but if you are a good shot you can try some out and make the determination yourself. I’ve owned more than I can count of Colt, Kimber, S&W, and Springfield. Here’s my two cents on it. Colt was King for many years, they aren’t anymore. They have let their quality go and I really don’t think they care if they sell to the public or not. Kimber and the high end Springfield’s are both top notch. Springfield has some junk in the bottom feeder market that Kimber and others choose not to pursue. (I’m not knocking them for that, I would guess that the bottom feeder market is the largest most profitable market there is; just that some manufactures don’t go there.) Smith & Wesson didn’t enter the 1911 game until just a few years ago. After I bought my first SW1911; I sold my Kimbers. I don’t think the S&W is that much better than the Kimber, I just think that it is at least equal, and all my other handguns are Smith & Wessons. I support them because they have taken care of me over the years. Then you have the $2500…$3500… whatever…. category. Once you are there you will be one of two types. Either you have more money than sense and are just buying to impress, or you have the ability to operate one of these weapons with better results than with other choices (Which means you won’t be on a gun forum asking which 1911 is the best.)

The SCOTUS will never rule that citizens have a right to bear arms; States will refuse to comply. I wish they would, I would like to see every citizen that wants to carry to be able to do so. But I’m also a realist. I was handcuffed and thrown in jail for no crime other than having a gun in my car in Illinois. Being a foolish young man I thought I could fight the charge based on the 2nd amendment. I found that all the state courts and the, 7th Federal District had already ruled that I do not have a right to bear arms and that the SCOTUS probably would not hear my case if I had the money to get it there. Tennessee is no different than Illinois, they do not recognize that you have any right to bear arms and neither does the 6th Federal District. The difference in Tennessee and Illinois is that Tennessee allows those of us that are lucky enough to be able to afford to “Rent a right†the ability to carry. Now don’t get me wrong; I’m happy that I have the privileges that my Legislators in Tennessee allow me to buy; I am part of the 5% that is a “Special Groupâ€. But please, don’t give me a speech about rights. This whole restaurant carry issue might be a big deal if it applied to all the people; but it does not. It applies to a “special group†that is a very small percentage of the population. The legislature needs to deal with it now. They need to clear up their language; they need to make clear the intent. It’s ridiculous to waste any money sending this through the court any further when the legislature will ultimately address the issue.

As long as people keep stating that they have rights when they don’t; they will never have them. You are in Tennessee. You absolutely do not have a right to bear arms and the SCOTUS has upheld that. THE STATE will decided where and when you can carry, and unless you pay you can’t carry anywhere. That is not a right; that is a privilege just like a driver’s license. If you feel the need to carry a gun everywhere you go that’s fine, but that doesn’t make it a right. No one is asking you to go anywhere that you feel you are in danger; you do not have to enter. I feel very strongly about this and I think it is prosperous that someone would make a rights argument that tramples all over the only ones that actually do have rights in this scenario; the business owners. I felt the same way when the state saw fit to trample all over the business owners rights with the smoking ban. A friend of mine lost his bar over the smoking ban, it has happened all over the country. But it is okay because smoking is undesirable to most people. Well guess what, those same people find guns in bars unacceptable. This movement was started to allow guns in restaurants that serve liquor. But a very small minority wasn’t satisfied with that and it turned into “Guns in Barsâ€. It was predicted by many that there would be problems. Well they are here.

Because the state won’t give them immunity from civil liability. A business owner should not have to spend one single dime to defend themselves against something you do. If the law is going to force business owners to allow you to carry a gun; then they should step up and provide an enforceable civil liability clause.

You are in Tennessee, and in Tennessee it is a crime to carry a gun anywhere off your property; let alone in a bar. As soon as you make this a 2nd amendment argument; you have lost. This is about clarifying the law. The legislature needs to do whatever they are going to do.

If I wanted to try out the trigger in the store I would ask before doing it. As far as a friends…. I wouldn’t dry fire my own, so I wouldn’t dry fire someone else’s.

Buds has some on their web site.

The money is basically the same. So do you want Tupperware guns or 1911’s? You need both.

I don’t know how it mounts (I did a Scout mount with mine), but Fulton Armory has one that says it requires no gunsmithing.

Bead (Super Fine Glass) blasting would take five minutes to do the gun and all the parts, and would leave a nice uniform finish. If you aren’t going to blue it would have a good prepped surface for the finish. Using a dremel would be a pain in the azz.

You wouldn’t if you had one of the Glocks with the breech face knocked out from dry firing. S&W, Glock and most others that are honest tell people not to dry fire without snap caps. Sitting around hammering the piss out of a firearm with no ammo in it is something that has become popular in the last 10 years. As you have found out; it will damage your gun. And I don’t care what kind you have. You might try calling back at another time and maybe you will have better luck.

Check out this thread... http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/long-guns/32358-need-some-clarifaction-308-7-62x51.html

Yes. But the states chose to abide by them. It was questionable if some local governments would abide and National Guard units were on standby. There would be no force available to make a state comply. But it’s pointless to argue it; it’s not going to happen. Yes, if that law is decided to be Constitutional. My point was that I would like to see the law heard and decided on its own merit. Not tainted by the arrest of an Agent doing his job.

With the stroke of a pen. I don’t understand the question. (If there is one there) The SCOTUS is the interpreter of the Constitution. This is a 10<SUP>th</SUP> amendment issue and they will decide the outcome. That’s the way it works, and will continue to work.

The states can do whatever they like (until he is out on bond) and the Feds can pardon him when they have him. It’s a threat by the state that has no teeth. I’m not falling for anyone’s lines so don’t try to put words in my mouth. But part of what you say is correct. I have said the same thing about the 2<SUP>nd</SUP> amendment cases; the courts can rule what they want but states will decide if you can carry or not. If the SCOTUS decided that carry was a 2<SUP>nd</SUP> amendment right; the states would ignore that decision. That’s why the SCOTUS will not rule that way. Again… you want to put words in my mouth to suit your needs. RIF…. I said I don’t want to see this law tested on the arrest of a Federal agent. The stage is set for failure. If the Agent was doing his job I would be on his side. I don’t care what NH does, but when they start arresting LEO’s instead of criminals something is not right. And I find it amazing that they would even threaten it; they are morons. The state of Tennessee has said manufacturing firearms or silencers within the state are not subject to Federal laws. But what are they going to do when the AFT takes someone into Federal custody for doing it? There is nothing they can do but let it go through the Federal courts. If the courts rule the Tennessee firearms freedom act unconstitutional and send the guy to prison; how does that help? These laws need to be tried in court; the 10<SUP>th</SUP> amendment argument has to go to the SCOUTS; I don’t see any moves towards making that happen. Are they waiting for a sacrificial lamb?

This is not much different than what Tennessee, Montana, and some other states have done. The problem is that it has not been tested. The ATF and the Justice Department has stated what they are going to do. I would guess that the threat of a felony charge is just fluff. The Justice Department can dismiss the charges for Agents acting within their guidelines. I would hate to see these laws initially tested on the arrest of a Federal Agent; I predict we will lose. These laws need to be tested without someone being arrested. But so far I don’t see anything happening.

Do you have one? I haven’t read all the posts, but I don’t see many revolvers. Take a look at the 4†or 6“ S&W K or L frames. 19, 66, 586, 686, etc. No handgun collection is complete without one of those. Remarkable quality and truly accurate.

Reminds me of Joe at the Stop-N-Go.

Against who? And why?