DaveTN

When I first became a cop I had discretion on all misdemeanors. While I was there I saw our discretion taken away on DUI and Domestic Violence. Is that not pretty much the same it is here? A cop can find a gun on a person carrying without a permit and decide to let them go; that doesn’t make it legal, a grey area or inconsistent. If that is true; it is not right.

I have never said that. I support allowing guns where liquor is served as long as drinking is not allowed, and a violation results in revocation of HCP. I’m not interested in waiting until someone is legally impaired for it to be a violation of law. I also stand by what I said; it is illegal to carry and drink. That was the question from the OP.

And I know a man that was armed while drinking in a bar and then shot two Police Officers that I worked with while holding his Grandson as a shield. What does either of our stories have to do with the question at hand? We aren’t talking about people that haven’t had anything to drink are we? The law is only gray to you because you want to argue that you are not impaired. The law does not say you have to be impaired. It says “it is an offense for person to possess a handgun while under the influence of alcohol or any controlled substance.†The intent of the law is crystal clear. If you want to go into court and argue that you were not under the influence enough to affect your judgment or handling of a handgun you are certainly free to do that. I would think it would be pretty easy for a Prosecutor to knock that pitch out of the park.

Because we lost the ability to carry in restaurants that serve alcohol because of this mindset that drinking while you are carrying is okay. I’m just trying to have a legal discussion without it turning into bash fest between those that think they should be able to drink and drive or carry and gun, and those that don’t. We had a carry into restaurant bill that would have passed and we would have been able to carry in restaurants that serve alcohol today. But no… we had to have those that think they should be able to go into bars, and even those that think they should be able to drink get involved. That was never the intent. The only thing I ever remember Bredesen saying that I agreed with was when he said “Allowing guns in bars defies common sense.†As someone who has been the responding Officer to many calls of people with guns in bars and people that were drunk and handling guns; I find the nonsense that drunks don’t shot people in bars ridiculous. I do support being able to carry in a restaurant that serves alcohol if you are not drinking. I do not support carrying in bars and I believe that if you are drinking while carry your permit should be revoked; no BAC testing or limit required, only evidence that you were drinking.

It’s not something I would want to see. How would this help stop piracy? They can’t shut down the sites that are not in this country? I guess Photobucket will get zapped the minute this law passes?

You are one of the newest members here. Who are the new trolls you speak of? And therein lies the problem. I read his post as simply saying “Do not judge me, just discuss the law.†That is what some of us are doing. It's illegal. Do you have something to add to that? Really? What would make you say something like that; do you know the OP?

WTF is that suppose to mean? I didn’t make the laws in this state; I just try to know what they are. Are we going to reduce this down to name calling because you don’t know the laws?

How do you know if you are under the limit? Have you had a BAC test when you were drinking? If you blow…. And you are below a .08 you are okay on the DUI, but if you are a .04 (The generally accepted level that impairment begins… think truck driver limits.) you could have a problem.

What are you going to do when they ask you to submit to a BAC test?

And you are subject to arrest for DUI if you are intoxicated.

Whatever is presented to the court. Officers observations, Video, any BAC or drug tests the suspect submitted to.

Sure we do. It’s illegal. There is no BAC requirement. It goes in the natural order of progression… Cop, DA, Judge or Jury. I haven’t seen anyone say that, but it is possible. If the gun and the ammo are separated chances are the cops wouldn’t mess with you. But there is no requirement that the gun be loaded. It’s the risk you take if you want to drink, drive, and have guns in the vehicle.

Yes it is. No it’s a confession. It isn’t for DUI why would you think it is for carrying a gun?

I don’t kill animals for sport, but if I did I would use my .308 bolt for Deer and my .308 DPMS Panther for Hogs. I would use a 10 or 12 GA shotgun for Turkey.

Yes it is against the law to be under the influence and carry a handgun. There is no .08 requirement. .08 is a legal presumption of being too impaired to drive.

I would let it go and not lose sleep over it. It’s not a collectable so no point in it having your gun money tied up. For a 1911 for carry I would look at the Smith & Wesson SW1911 line and Kimber. Both are proven performers.

Academy Sports regular price on the low end Remington 870’s is only $280.

You don’t have to pay court cost if you get a ticket “Thrown Out”. If he had to pay court costs it was because he was convicted or he made a plea agreement.

Does anyone have one of these on a bolt gun? I’m thinking about ordering one for my 700 VLS .308 but can’t seem to find anyone that has used them. Any other energy absorbing stocks at a reasonable price? BLACKHAWK! Axiom U/L Rifle Stock - BLACKHAWK!

I also wondered how they could do that without the option of a court trial or being able to face your accusers. I guess since it doesn’t go against your license they justify it the same way they do a parking ticket?

Prexactly

Not much has changed in 60 years; it’s still the Remington 870. Pick them up most anywhere that sells guns. You are talking about something you will rely on when someone is trying to kill you or your family. That’s not the time I would want a cheap chinaman knock-off.

Can you blame him? He made (what I took as) a pro-gun statement and some of the gun crowd turned on him like he called their kids ugly.

I have had forum vendors match or beat Buds. The only time I had to buy from Buds was when the forum vendors didn’t have a PLR-16 and couldn’t get one. I have bought a couple of M&P’s and a .308 Panther from Hero Gear that was less than Buds even before shipping or transfer. I also bought a new S&W 617 from G&L that was less than Buds. All you have to do is let them know what you are looking for. I buy WWB range ammo from Wal-Mart because it is more reliable and much cleaner than the other cheap ammo and no one beats Wal-Marts price.

You would be fine with a .22LR. I have read on this forum more times that I can count that caliber is not important; shot placement is. I consider a man with a gun trying to shoot me to be far more dangerous than a bear.