DaveTN

(13) "Restricted firearm ammunition" means any cartridge containing a bullet coated with a plastic substance with other than a lead or lead alloy core or a jacketed bullet with other than a lead or lead alloy core or a cartridge of which the bullet itself is wholly composed of a metal or metal alloy other than lead. "Restricted firearm ammunition" does not include shotgun shells or solid plastic bullets;

They may go with that.</SPAN> This guy is going to figure out that reading LexisNexis doesn’t make you a lawyer. But he’ll probably be in a prison cell by the time he figures that out.</SPAN> What he did here was legal, but it cost him his HCP. The Capitol Police cannot allow him to enter like that. </SPAN>

I think possession of a loaded firearm in your car without requiring a permit should be the next big step.

Doesn’t matter what you think; only what a reasonable person thinks (that means a jury). The threat to your life is only on-going because you are creating it, not him. You take your foot off the gas, turn your turn signal on and move to the side of the road. It’s that simple. A jury won’t buy the “I’m a mind reader and I knew what they were going to do; so I killed them.†Defense. Roll up your windows lock your doors, if they try to get in the vehicle display the weapon, if they continue shoot them. The only problem with this scenario is that if three bang bangers are coming after you in your car and you pull a gun; you better be ready to be seeing three more guns. You need to be looking for any possible way to escape, especially if you have your family with you. Getting in a firefight could get your family killed….. Run. In internet scenarios and stories the good guys always win, in real life it doesn’t happen that way.

Buds has a list of FFL’s that already have their paperwork on file with them. You simply order, pick your dealer and it ships. Then you call your dealer and let them know its coming. Same thing with CDNN, only they do it over the phone. They tell you the dealers they are already cleared to ship to in your area. The only legal way you aren’t going to go through an FFL transfer is a private party purchase from another Tennessee resident. My buying tip on a lower would be PM the forum vendors in your area, put what you want in the “Want to Buy†section here and watch GOC for a local private seller or dealer that has what you want.

I have a brand new, never been worn Crossbreed SuperTuck Deluxe for a M&P40c. Can’t save you much on price, but can save you the 4-6 week wait. PM if interested. However, I have to be honest. I think Kydex is junk and would not buy another one no matter who made it. But that’s just my opinion, I would go with leather.

HCP requirements in this state are a joke. We all have stories of people that have HCP that shouldn’t. Even if it’s a right to carry, the state could still require the class for anyone wanting an HCP so they could carry in other states. Think about this… most of the negligent shootings we see posted aren’t from inexperience; they are from experienced gun owners becoming complacent and doing something stupid.

Becoming a Constitutional Carry state would not make it any easier for law abiding citizens or anyone else to buy a buy through a dealer; FFL’s still do background checks.

Why would that be anymore of a problem than it is now? They run the risk of encountering the Police the same way anyone else does, seeing a known felon in possession is PC for a stop and arrest. They also run the risk of someone turning them in. If I remember correctly recent legislation was passed that makes a felon in possession mandatory prison time. If a convicted felon wants a gun they will get one; they can buy it right here. I don’t think that needs to be a concern when dealing with the rights of law abiding citizens.

I have two of those in stainless (Model 66). They make great carry guns. Been kicking around the idea of trading one for the .223 bolt gun I’m trying to find.

Looks to me like buying a new barrel and two M&P mags would be half the price of a new gun. I would invest the extra money and have two guns….. but that’s just me.

Apply for a C&R (Curio & Relics FFL). It cost $30 and goes through an ATF background check. If you get it, you will probably get an HCP. If you don’t pass they will tell you why and what to do. That’s probably as cheap as paying for background checks and a heck of a lot cheaper than being turned down on an HCP application. Plus if you pass you will have a C&R license. Perjury requires intent. As far as you know you were voluntarily committed (otherwise you couldn’t have simply walked out), which is probably what happened. I doubt it will show up anywhere unless someone knew about it and was specifically looking for it.

It depends on whether you voluntarily signed yourself in or the cops got an involuntary commitment. When I was a cop we gave people with those types of problems the choice or voluntary commitment or we would deal with it. Even though it was voluntary they could not leave for 72 hours once they signed themselves in.

That is so cool.

It’s a right or it’s not. Right now Tennessee does not recognize a right to bear arms and makes no bones about it. I think we have the best system you can hope for short of becoming the 5th state to recognize carry as a right. The only problem with it is that many people who desperately need it; can’t afford it. Should the state ever recognize carry as a right there should be no requirement to “qualifyâ€. It would be up to you to know when and where you could carry and what the laws are concerning the threat of force or the use of deadly force. Will Tennessee ever allow everyone to strap on a gun and walk down the street legally? I doubt it.

You shouldn’t have any problems as long as your charges show a disposition. For your neighbor it depends on what his felony convictions were for. If he was convicted of “burglary, any felony offense involving violence, or use of a firearm, or any felony drug offense involving a Schedule I, II, III, IV, or V controlled substance†it doesn’t matter if they were expunged or not, he won’t be approved if they show up.

As someone that has been the responding Officer I can tell you that your involvement is more of a determining factor than whether or not being punched in the face justifies the use of force. If you are brake checking people and flipping them off, and they approach you at a stop light, you better be ready to kick azz or get your azz kicked. If you are a willing participant and you pull a gun; I would take you to jail. If you are innocent and you are the victim of an unprovoked attacked because someone doesn’t like the way you are driving, that’s a different story. If you are ever in an incident like that and have to pull a gun, call the Police and wait for them to arrive, even if the other person leaves. The first person to call is the “complainantâ€; the other person is the “suspectâ€. On the way home the other person may realize how bad he screwed up and call the police to make a complaint on you pointing a gun at him. It may be a couple of days before the cops show up at your home or work to arrest you. At that point it’s too late to tell your side of the story. There is a saying “Don’t let your mouth overload your azzâ€. If you are a willing participant in a conflict and you need a gun to protect yourself against an unarmed man; that is exactly what you have done and it will likely end with you in jail.

Probably suspend him for carrying a Keltec. Seriously though, there are idiots in every job; cops aren’t exempt. If a cop got in a fight over anything as stupid as being called out for being reckless there would probably be serious consequences.

+1 Or maybe Granny is in that far corner and if you miss him you will hit her?

They shouldn’t, Memphis or the state should. But I really couldn’t care less that pays if they were acting in a role that one of those cities Officers would have covered. Our cities attorneys were only involved in the preliminary stages of any incident involving an Officer. Private attorneys that specialize in their field were hired if the city attorneys determined if there was a case. I really don’t know if the city or the state paid for that. I’m not suggesting that anyone run around anywhere outside their city and act like anything. I’m saying that if fate has put an off duty cop in the middle of a serious crime, it shouldn’t matter what department he works for and no one should have to die because of it….. It’s ridiculous. The fact that a drunk driver is 2 miles outside a city limit and an Officer from that city happens to be returning to the city and sees him and can’t legally (because of course most will act) do anything is also ridiculous. I don’t care what the Mayor of Metro or the Chief of Police wants, and neither should our legislators when it comes to protecting citizens. I bet if your son or daughter was being attacked in East Nashville they wouldn’t care if the badge said “Metro†or “Murfreesboroâ€, if it caused the attack to stop. And it would change your opinion entirely. I know several “big city†street cops that have retired to a small town cop job that I would rather have with me when SHTF over a TBI agent. We have turned into a candy azz society that is more worried about getting sued or who is paying the bill than standing up for what’s right.

If he gets killed helping someone does his family get the benefits of a cop killed in the line of duty? If he gets sued does his department’s legal take his case? Qualified immunity is not for someone that does something unlawful. Sure he shouldn’t need it; neither should a citizen acting in good faith, but since I don’t have it as a citizen it is one powerful factor in making a decision on whether I call 911 and be a good witness, or get involved. Cops aren’t perfect, they make mistakes. And sometimes they don’t make mistakes; that’s just how the courts rule. That’s why qualified immunity exists. No Police Officer within his own state should ever have to worry about getting involved in saving lives or stopping a crime simply because of a city or county line. It’s ridiculous, I laughed when I first saw it because I thought it was a joke.

Does anyone in the Murfreesboro/Nashville area carry SF123A or compatible batteries in stock, or do I have to order on-line?

So when you are in a marked Police vehicle, as the TVA Officer was, you think he should just stand by and watch while a drunk weaves all over the roadway? Maybe he can call for a local cop and they will get there before the drunk kills a family in a head-on accident…. maybe not. If one of your kids was getting the crap beat out of them by some gang bangers and you found out that a Metro cop had called 911, was standing by willing and ready to act, but did not act because he had no authority… you would be good with that? I guess the good news is that most cops would act, even though their legislators have needlessly tied their hands.

The state made the argument the Officer was justified and had authority. The case was dismissed on a technicality because the PC for the stop was not listed. Because of that oversight a drunk driver walked. I bet if you ask that Officer if he would stop another drunk weaving in the roadway he will tell you yes. I commend him for what he did; he may well have saved lives. It’s too bad that being a Federal agent and not a Police Officer of the state was needed to justify what he did. Short sightedness on the part of the state don’t you think?

Really? Did you really just type that? That’s a valid argument; one that the state legislators obviously agree with. My job in a medium sized city required me to go to local small towns to make arrests for crimes committed in our city. We would notify the locals we were coming; sometimes they would meet us, sometimes not. We had full Police powers 24 hours a day anywhere in our state. We didn’t go patrol or enforce traffic in other cities, but we did need to go there on investigations or to make arrests. Why should it be? If I’m a cop out of my jurisdiction and I see a serious crime I need to act on; I want full authority and everything that comes with it. If I’m killed stopping an attack on an innocent citizen I want my family to have the survivor benefits and pension the same as what they would get if I were killed in the line of duty (We had that). I would want the same access to legal representation I would have if I were acting in my city (We had that). If acting in good faith I would want the same qualified immunity I would have while acting in my city (We had that). We had those things because we took an oath and had a duty to act. Our state recognized that we could not stand by and watch while a serious crime was being committed and gave us the tools so we didn’t have to. Yes, you had to be employed as a full time Police Officer and certified by the state. No, we didn’t go getting involved in minor incidents in other jurisdictions. But when we had to act; the state had our back.